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Old November 26th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #8901
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I guess the situation would be sort of similar to that: people relatively "know" what the EU is, but what is evident and what most of people can see is the lack of checkpoints in borders which is fundamentaly due to Schengen.
And that is why people think that EU=Schengen. When Croatia joined EU this year, a lot of Dutch tourists were complaining because... they had to show their passports on the SLO-HR border. Too many people really had no idea that Croatia did not enter Schengen.
It might be confusing for people outside Europe, but a lot of people inside Europe sometimes don't know in what area they are living or to what area they are travelling to
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Old November 26th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #8902
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Old November 26th, 2013, 09:46 PM   #8903
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Are there custom checks between mainland Finland and Åland islands?
In principle, there are, but in practice no. For the commercial traffic, there is some paperwork.

Even if Åland is excluded from the EU VAT and excise tax area, it is not a tax heaven: The same VAT and excise taxes apply as in the mainland.

The arrangement was invented to make it possible to continue the tax-free sales on the ferries between Sweden and Finland. Because the ferries call at Åland, they are considered non-EU traffic. Because the both end points are located in the EU, there are no import restrictions in Finland for goods from Sweden or vice versa. The tax-free goods bought at the ferries are non-EU import, and the normal regulations apply. Because the sales of alcohol and tobacco is limited on the ferries, the customs officers are not very interested in those goods.

Export from Åland is not a big issue because things are generally more expensive than in the mainland due to the cost of logistics. All import to Åland is subject to VAT and excise tax, but not to duties, because Åland is included in the EU customs union.

Complicated? In theory yes, but in practice the border is invisible to the travellers. I have never been stopped by the customs at the ports of Helsinki, Turku, Mariehamn or Stockholm.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 10:00 PM   #8904
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So a national administrative subdivision was given a special status just to sell tax-free stuff on international ferries?
And does all S-FIN ferries stop at Åland? It seems a waste of time for those in hurry travelling from a country to another.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #8905
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Old November 26th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #8906
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Old November 26th, 2013, 10:22 PM   #8907
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I see in that diagram that San Marino is not a member of the Schengen Area. Although it's not an official member, it's a de-facto in the Schengen Area since it's surrounded by Italy (Schengen Area official member) and it doesn't have any border controls.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #8908
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I see in that diagram that San Marino is not a member of the Schengen Area. Although it's not an official member, it's a de-facto in the Schengen Area since it's surrounded by Italy (Schengen Area official member) and it doesn't have any border controls.
Monaco isn't an official Schengen member too, although it's signed as such in the Euler's diagram (that need to be upgraded in a month when Latvia will join the Eurozone).
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Old November 26th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #8909
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If I am not wrong, San Marino and Monaco are unofficially integrated in all the customs and free movement agreements signed by Italy and France respectively through the particular agreements between those countries (I mean, between San Marino and Italy, and between Monaco and France).
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Old November 27th, 2013, 02:36 AM   #8910
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So a national administrative subdivision was given a special status just to sell tax-free stuff on international ferries?
And does all S-FIN ferries stop at Åland? It seems a waste of time for those in hurry travelling from a country to another.
Finnlines has direct night services between Naantali and Kapellskär. On day services even they call at Långnäs (Åland) since October. The route with the stopover takes 9 h, compared to the 8 h without one.

The best known and biggest services are operated by TallinkSilja and Viking Line (between Helsinki and Stockholm as well as Turku and Stockholm) and they both call at Åland. TallinkSilja has direct cargo services (formerly known as SeaWind) between Turku and Stockholm, but they are not available to travellers at all.

The route Vaasa-Umeå is of course direct, but this route has had severe economic problems ever since Finland and Sweden joined the EU (ending the tax free market) and the operator has changed many times. The current operator has started this year under the brand Wasaline. The operator is owned by the municipalities of Vaasa and Umeå, meaning that if the service is not economically sustainable, then it is paid by the taxpayers of these municipalities.

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Old November 27th, 2013, 09:23 AM   #8911
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So a national administrative subdivision was given a special status just to sell tax-free stuff on international ferries?
The case is not that simple.

First of all, Åland is more than a national administrative subdivision. It is granted a certain degree of autonomy by an international treaty and by the Finnish constitution. It was up to Åland to decide whether to join the EU VAT area or not.

From the European trade point of view, Finland is an island. About 80% of the value of import and export is carried by ships. The memberhip negotiations between Finland and the EU took place in the early 1990's. In that time, the Baltic countries had recently regained their independence. The road across the Baltic countries from Tallinn to the German/Polish border was not much more than a lousy cartway, thus far from being useful. That is why it was essential to keep the Helsinki/Turku-Stockholm route attractive enough to survive.

Of course, there was local protectionism involved, too. Of the two ferry companies, the red one, is based on Åland.

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The passenger car ferries on the main route Helsinki/Turku-Stockholm/Kappelskär, yes.

The rotation time on the Turku-based routes is 24 hours, and 48 hours on the Helsinki-based ones. Neither of these were badly impacted by making a call at Åland.

On the Turku-Stockholm route, the day ferries travel about 11 hours, and the night ones about 10,5 hours. (The night ferries call at Långnäs, which lies next to the fairway, not much extra time needed.) The logistics of these ferries is extremely efficient: No more than 60 minutes is needed to unload and load 2800 passengers, 400+ vehicles, food, waste, good to sell, etc.

(BTW, these floating restaurants meet at the harbour of Mariehamn in the afternoon, thus providing an option to make a day cruise from Turku or Stockholm by switching the ferry.)

On the Helsinki-Stockholm route, the speed is not the key issue, as all the departures are overnight trips. Calling at Åland involves some extra time. The 14-16 hour travel time was increased by 90-120 minutes. The ferries leave slightly earlier than before and arrive about one hour later, just after the morning rush hours. One extra hour of sleeping time.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 06:01 PM   #8912
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Pedestrian bridge over Mura between Slovenia (Gornja Radgona) and Austria (Bad Radkersburg):


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Old November 27th, 2013, 07:11 PM   #8913
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What's swinging, and why is it safe for individuals but not groups?
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Old November 27th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #8914
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What's swinging, and why is it safe for individuals but not groups?
Look up "synchronous lateral excitation". The effects can be disastrous for bridges! (It's why, for instance, soldiers have to march "out of step" over some bridges!!)
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Old November 27th, 2013, 07:52 PM   #8915
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What if you purchase a new car in Canary Islands, Ceuta or Melilla and then you move it on Continental Spain? No VAT is something when you buy a €20k object.
You have to pay the VAT again if you don't take the car back to the Canary Islands in less than 6 months.

VAT in peninsular Spain+Balearic Islands is called IVA (21%), in the Canary Islands is called IGIC (7%), and in Ceuta and Melilla it's called IPSI.

So, for instance, if you buy a car in Tenerife you pay the IGIC (7%), then if you move to Madrid you have to pay the IVA (21%). It's the same if you buy it in Madrid and then take it to Tenerife: First the IVA, then the IGIC. Observe that you don't have to pay only the difference (21-7=14%), but the whole IVA again. So you end up paying a 28% over the nominal value.

However, this "double payment" can be avoided if you fulfill some requirements:
1) You must have been living for at least 12 months in the Canary Islands.
2) You must be registered as an inhabitant of any municipality on Continental Spain.
3) You must have bought the car at least 6 months before moving to Continental Spain.
4) Your car must be a private car (not for transporting goods).

The same happens when moving from Continental Spain to the Canary Islands, or from Ceuta/Melilla to Continental Spain or the Canary Islands or vice-versa.
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Oscillating. It's safe for groups, but they have to walk normally, not march or run (running isn't mentioned though).
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Old November 27th, 2013, 11:32 PM   #8917
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Is every plane taking off in this direction almost immediately crossing the border?
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Is every plane taking off in this direction almost immediately crossing the border?
Here's an explanation:

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The runway of the Tijuana airport is about 300 meters south of the border between the U.S. and Mexico. Regularly, planes land east-west runway 27/09, but when conditions are Santa Ana winds in the region, the eastbound planes land, having to go for a few minutes to U.S. soil for landing maneuvers .
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Old November 28th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #8920
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What if you purchase a new car in Canary Islands, Ceuta or Melilla and then you move it on Continental Spain? No VAT is something when you buy a €20k object.

In addition...

A car plate must be registered where one citizen live. Either in Spain there are no differences in the plates nowadays (four numbers and three letters, nevermind the province or so), traffic administration knows where the car has been registered.

To register a car in Canary islands, Ceuta or Melilla you may be living there and with all documents updated. It is not easy to fake them because due to different taxes, this detail is quite controlled.

One relative told me she was waiting for a tax refund and she had received a letter complaining because delay because a lot of addresses were being verified.


and... if you move a car from Canary islands (or Ceuta or Melilla) to Continental Spain (or Balearic) or vice-versa, you may pay taxes twice!!!!.

The only exemption is in a new car. I know one person who bought a new car, had a provisional plate valid for 10 days. No taxes were payed for that car, moved the car to Canary islands and payed all the taxes there.

If the traffic administration detects a citizen living in Continental Spain and owning a car registered in Canary islands, they will automatically warn tax agency and you can receive a fine.
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