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Old December 11th, 2013, 04:16 AM   #9001
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Old December 11th, 2013, 04:32 AM   #9002
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Old December 11th, 2013, 09:29 AM   #9003
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I watched a film (more a comedy than an historical movie) about some guys from France travelling by car to Portugal in the imediate aftermath of the 1974 revolution.
When they arrive at the border with Spain, guards told them that they can't cross because only people going to Spain are allowed and not those in transit to Portugal (and how they knew that they were going to Portugal?)
Just asking (and they were "entitled" to believe or not your answer). They had so many power that few people would lie.

Anyway, to my best knowledgement there was a direct train Irun-Fuente de Oñoro to shuttle from Paris to Lisbon so I do not see any sense to that explanation.


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So, they ask to a villager how to do and he suggested to take a dirt track in the forest to avoid the checkpoint. Obviously it wasn't possible in real life, first because the border was probably well patrolled beck then, second because without an entry stamp to Spain they won't be able to leave the country legally.
They were quite well patrolled after the civil war to avoid anyone crossing the border. To cross the border (getting out Spain) you needed a passport but just to approach the border you needed a permission providing you weren't a citizen of those villages close to border. There were to many road controls and ID requests and it wasn't mandatory to patrol across the border. Enough to set a patrol in a cross road near the border and ask for documentation for everyone.
Furthermore, almost all villages near France were quite small and local authorities knew person to person everyone.


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When they are entering Portugal, they found that Spaniards have closed the border and they have to wait a couple of days. When the border reopens, they're detained by Spanish because they found in the car a badge with a hammer and sickle and they were suspected to be revolutionaries. After a lot of questining, they're let to go into Portugal (and nobody noticed the lack of entry stamp...)
I read an article about two journalists who were asap to Lisbon when the Portuguese revolution. They drove fast expecting to arrive the border before they were closed and they gaigned!. They said they had chosen the less frequent Spanish-Portuguese border and, about the questions of why going to Portugal they just said visiting Lisbon and going to the casino. Enough to not be suspitious and crossing the border



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I assume that Europeans did need passports to visit the fascist Spain and Portugal, if it was possible just with ID (I don't think so) it's another story.
Spanish ID card was set to avoid passports. Instead of having passport everyone and only allow someone to go out with a special visa, they decided to give an ID card to everyone, valable only within Spain (nowadays within the EU and some other countries) and compulsory a passport (few people had a passport) to cross the border.
In the 1940s and 1950s barely some people had a valid passport so police wouldn't make many questions in the border. They would assume that to get it you had been checked, even your polices files prior to give it to you.

Any citizen could entry to Spain with a passport except maybe some countries who would require a visa given by a Spanish embassy.

In the 60-ish there was an official football match Spain-Yugoslavia. No embassies were set in the other country by both sides and the question was... how to travel each team or should they have to choose a third country to play.
Finally France offered both countries their embassies. Visas were given by French ambassadors and valable in both countries (only for players, coachs and staff).

But, apart of these cases of the Iron curtain history, any citizen could entry (other matter of question is that it was an isolated country because of its international policy).
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Old December 11th, 2013, 01:00 PM   #9004
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It was a dangerous border to be around, both governments were fascist but they didn't like each other.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #9005
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It was a dangerous border to be around, both governments were fascist but they didn't like each other.

In fact within Spain the really problem was with France.
Border was quite much controlled there than in Portugal.
Portuguese border wasn't a nightmare for Spanish government. They were sure that, supposing a citizen crossed the border, in spite of getting an asylum, he would be back asap.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 03:43 PM   #9006
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The Portuguese government didn't want people leaving either, nor contraband coming from Spain.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 07:33 PM   #9007
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border E-P in salvaterra do extremo , simply a weir

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Old December 11th, 2013, 08:02 PM   #9008
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Old December 12th, 2013, 08:03 AM   #9009
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The Portuguese government didn't want people leaving either, nor contraband coming from Spain.
I agree. In fact, any movie based in those years always is focused in closing borders to people for France and smugling for Portugal.

Let's remember that Spain wasn't a "country in the free world" for a long time. No, not a troll... it is not a casualty that for more than 10 years no country shettled any embassy in Spain. When first foreing ambassador arrived (Argentinian) it was a huge event in the country.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #9011
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Even the cars are french.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 05:33 PM   #9012
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I caught a documentary once on French television (I get TV5 Monde) about Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon. Surprised how little contact the place seems to have with Canada, even Quebec. Everything comes from France.
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Even the cars are french.
That may be because the picture was shot in France.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #9014
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Old December 13th, 2013, 06:01 PM   #9015
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This pic was taken from Tabasco, Mexico.

The known side of Mexico/Guatemala border is located in Suchiate River in the mexican state of Chiapas.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #9016
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Chungará-Tambo Quemado Pass located in Bolivia/Chile border:

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Paso fronterizo Chungará-Tambo Quemado (Bolivia -Chile), 4680 msnm.

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Old December 13th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #9018
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Interesting structure, it looks a bit like that building on the Wilhelminapier in Rotterdam.
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