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Old December 27th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #9061
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The recently reconstructed border crossing between Republic of Macedonia and Kosovo.

The number of lanes (four for entering and three for exiting the country) was increased with the reconstruction. This year nearly two million people cross the border in both directions. Photo by MIA.mk.











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Old December 28th, 2013, 01:03 PM   #9062
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There is not much sense for the road signs and painted lanes..Yet.
Why is that?
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Old December 28th, 2013, 01:09 PM   #9063
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Old December 28th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #9064
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Why is that?
Because you can construct a road only within your nation's borders!
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Old December 28th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #9065
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Because you can construct a road only within your nation's borders!
Not necessarily. Some roads straddle through other countries. In Germany the road from Aachen to Monschau for example straddles into Belgium. And I think there's something in Switzerland... In Kerkrade, Netherlands German and Dutch roads don't take much notice of land borders, and are continuously crossing each other. And then there's of course the Baarle Nassau/Hartog situation where the Dutch are throwing their bricks and tarmac all over the Belgian place.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #9066
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Not necessarily. Some roads straddle through other countries. In Germany the road from Aachen to Monschau for example straddles into Belgium. And I think there's something in Switzerland... In Kerkrade, Netherlands German and Dutch roads don't take much notice of land borders, and are continuously crossing each other. And then there's of course the Baarle Nassau/Hartog situation where the Dutch are throwing their bricks and tarmac all over the Belgian place.
This implies a certain degree of agreement between countries. Such agreements are required also to finish a road that comes from the other country. If one condition is not met, the other can easily be not met too.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 04:06 PM   #9067
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Not necessarily. Some roads straddle through other countries. In Germany the road from Aachen to Monschau for example straddles into Belgium. And I think there's something in Switzerland... In Kerkrade, Netherlands German and Dutch roads don't take much notice of land borders, and are continuously crossing each other. And then there's of course the Baarle Nassau/Hartog situation where the Dutch are throwing their bricks and tarmac all over the Belgian place.
The Strada di Osimo (Slovenian road n°402) crosses into Italy for about 1,5km.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 04:11 PM   #9068
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In other cases roads cross borders because they're older than borders themselves.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 05:04 PM   #9069
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Not necessarily. Some roads straddle through other countries. In Germany the road from Aachen to Monschau for example straddles into Belgium. And I think there's something in Switzerland... In Kerkrade, Netherlands German and Dutch roads don't take much notice of land borders, and are continuously crossing each other. And then there's of course the Baarle Nassau/Hartog situation where the Dutch are throwing their bricks and tarmac all over the Belgian place.
Belgium doesn't build roads in Amsterdam though.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #9070
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In other cases roads cross borders because they're older than borders themselves.
That's probably the case most of the time.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 10:58 PM   #9071
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This implies a certain degree of agreement between countries.
A very good example:
http://maps.google.pl/maps?saddr=Tra...1,0&sz=14&z=12
Road between Hradek nad Nisou (CZ) and Zittau (D) that goes through Poland was financed by Germany and Czech Republic.

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Old December 28th, 2013, 11:52 PM   #9072
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Road between Hradek nad Nisou (CZ) and Zittau (D) that goes through Poland was financed by Germany and Czech Republic.
Croats could learn something from you.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 12:05 AM   #9073
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In other cases roads cross borders because they're older than borders themselves.
Yup! I can think of a road that was cut off by the new Kazakh-Kyrgyz border when the Soviet Union collapsed. Since then Kazakhstan has built a bypass so now it avoids Kyrgyzstan.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #9074
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Croats could learn something from you.
Germany, Czech Republic and Poland all are EU and Schengen members. In the other hand, Croatia is EU member where Bosnia and Herzegovina (Neum) or Serbia (Bačka Palanka to Šid through Ilok) are not. So dear friend, please explain carefully what exactly should Croatia learn? Perhaps to lobby in the EU how to build missing motorway links between Croatia and other EU countries through Slovenia (Gruškovje-Ptuj; Jelšane-Postojna and Starod-Trieste)?
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Old December 29th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #9075
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please explain carefully what exactly should Croatia learn?
If you want a motorway to Italy, bring money on the table.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 01:47 AM   #9076
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this point

https://maps.google.es/?ll=42.546504...32.01,,0,18.88

is a border between Andorra and Spain. A Schenger border by the way and France is not far from there indeed.

Paved road is Andorra, unpaved path is Spain. The path goes to nowhere. Maybe people working on countryshires or so could use it but it really arrives to nowhere.

I wonder myself why Andorra paved until the border when they knew that Spain wouldn't built a road in their side (at least for a long, long time)
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Old December 29th, 2013, 02:02 AM   #9077
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this point

https://maps.google.es/?ll=42.546504...32.01,,0,18.88

is a border between Andorra and Spain. A Schenger border by the way and France is not far from there indeed.

Paved road is Andorra, unpaved path is Spain. The path goes to nowhere. Maybe people working on countryshires or so could use it but it really arrives to nowhere.

I wonder myself why Andorra paved until the border when they knew that Spain wouldn't built a road in their side (at least for a long, long time)
I am not sure, but I think you can take the unpaved road to Tor (province of Lleida, Spain) and finally to Alins where you can find a paved road (L-510). However, I have no idea if there is any kind of restriction along that road.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 02:15 AM   #9078
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What I wonder is if it is possible to drive while all the year.

It is an area quite controlled (no customs but so few people are there that any movement in the surroundings could be suspected as smuggling. He will be checked to have a look to his goods.


Anyway, if a road would be built at some other time... it will be to go to Os de Civis (if you are in Os de Civis and you go across the mountain with a great deal of tobacco, it is smuggling, even if obviously you are making a non-international journey)
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What I wonder is if it is possible to drive while all the year.

It is an area quite controlled (no customs but so few people are there that any movement in the surroundings could be suspected as smuggling. He will be checked to have a look to his goods.


Anyway, if a road would be built at some other time... it will be to go to Os de Civis (if you are in Os de Civis and you go across the mountain with a great deal of tobacco, it is smuggling, even if obviously you are making a non-international journey)
I have no idea how Os de Civis inhabitants deal with the fact of crossing the Andorran-Spanish customs...

If you are living in Os, you can buy whatever you want in Andorra? If you have bought anything in Spain and your destination is Os, you can cross the customs without problem? No idea...
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I have no idea how Os de Civis inhabitants deal with the fact of crossing the Andorran-Spanish customs...

If you are living in Os, you can buy whatever you want in Andorra? If you have bought anything in Spain and your destination is Os, you can cross the customs without problem? No idea...
Yes you can, and almost all services will be from the Andorran side (they have some international agreements of services over the border).

If they buy any good, they will buy it in Andorra and if they "export" to Os de Civis, it will be tax free (it is cheaper for Administration not to set a custom because they are barely 100 inhabitants).

Any invoice made in Os de Civis (for instance, the hotel, restaurant, and so on) MUST have VAT and citizens must pay taxes as any other Spanish citizens.

To my best knowledgement:

- Os de Civis citizens and emergency services have free pass without customs from Spain until Sant Juliŕ and later turning left.
- Police has never pass agreement.

So then:

- Any citizen of Os de Civis should cross Andorran territory to go anywhere in Spain. They can buy any good. If they consum it in their village, tax free. If they go to anywhere into Spain they must cross general customs and declare it
- If any citizen goes through the mountain with goods he can be considered smuggler (you can go trekking but not with a van full of tobacco, for instance)
- You can consider Os de Civis as "the city without law". When the Catalan police wanted to go there to check one thing... they had to approach by helicopter, avoiding Andorran territory...
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