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Old January 1st, 2014, 12:40 PM   #9101
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this is a picture of the toll station (one have to pay to use the bridge)
no customs: both countries are EU members ;-)
no border police: both countries are Schegen ;-)
(also if Denmark repetidly announce it will re-install border police controls: it's only internal politic propaganda) ......... and customs controls surely not as the goods passing are 1°: EU goods 2° non EU and than have a transit document like everywhere in EU. (it can happen to have random customs controls, but only for axcises goods, like tobacco, alcohol, etc...

@ Mirror's Edge: to comply with EU laws, the controls made by the customs have to be: 1) displaced from the former customs stations in order to show to the public that there is free movement; 2) random: they are not allowed to provoque files for controls of each vehicule : in other words those customs controls heve to happen like ordinary customs controls all over the country.
All other ways to proceed is punishable and many countries have already received fines for doing so

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Old January 1st, 2014, 12:42 PM   #9102
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... Or drugs...
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Old January 1st, 2014, 12:52 PM   #9103
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this is a picture of the toll station (one have to pay to use the bridge)
no customs: both countries are EU members ;-)
no border police: both countries are Schegen ;-)
(also if Denmark repetidly announce it will re-install border police controls: it's only internal politic propaganda) ......... and customs controls surely not as the goods passing are 1°: EU goods 2° non EU and than have a transit document like everywhere in EU. (it can happen to have random customs controls, but only for axcises goods, like tobacco, alcohol, etc...
I love it when ppl from other nations (think they)know more then someone that live minutes from the action.







I have been stopped many, many, way to many times and asked Qs, I have also been forced to return to Denmark with a shipment of birds and aquarium fish.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 01:03 PM   #9104
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sorry, mister: it has been my job for 40 (FORTY) years, so I know what I'm speaking about (and that has nothing to do with my nationality !
this panel is contradictory to the EU regulations (if they would write Excises instead of customs, than OK) and as you can see, the tull people have to look at people passing the toll station, WITHOUT blocking the traffic: they are there with a car and staying outside: that cannot be for 8 hours!: it's a mobile team !!!!....... and the toll station is not corresponding to a former custom station;
any way, DK and S (like France on the small airfields) are regularly pointed out by complaints of the EU-Commision for not respecting the free circulation.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 01:14 PM   #9105
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Yeah it's true they don't stop every car but what custom do that? NK- China maybe!
But they are on trains with the dogs, they stop buses/trucks and use dogs etc, anything suspicions and they take you aside and investigate further(I've been there many times)
This clip from 2013 show use of dogs as they stop vehicles at Öresund.
Never mind the annoying womans voice, she say this dog have caught drugs for 260 000 000 SEK...that's a lot of drugs.




On the Öresund train, clip from summer 2013.

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Old January 1st, 2014, 01:27 PM   #9106
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With regular customs control, normally every car is checked, at least the passport(s) and you were asked if you have somethinf to declare. If the the car is investigated further, is another decision.

Anyway, an-148 seems to be right, a regular custom control is very different.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 01:28 PM   #9107
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after 1 of January 1993, I have also been looking for drugs, excises goods, and MANY other regulations, BUT in mobile teams : the border offices simply closed !
naturally, we found more drugs close to the dutch border or in the train from NL than somewhere else, also more excises goods close to the LUXemburg border than somewhere else, also after 1995 for the toll vignette for trucks, .... but it was STRICTLY forbidden to act systematicly at the border itself !
Belgium never got complaints about not respecting the Regulations about free circulation !! (other regulations maybe :-) , but that is not the discussion here
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Old January 1st, 2014, 03:20 PM   #9108
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it's true they don't stop every car but what custom do that? NK- China maybe!
That is still the rule at the vast majority of the border crossings outside of Europe. Every person has to leave the car, pass emigration, immigration and customs. At most of those land borders that I crossed there, I had to take all luggage with me to customs. In one or two instances luggage could be left in the car (where it would be subjected to checks if considered necessary by customs). The car typically needs to be taken across the border separately. The driver should obtain individual clearance to have the gates opened. So yes, every car is then stopped.

Within Europe, don't underestimate the thoroughness of the checks at the borders of Russia. There is paper work to be completed and a lot of visitors will need visa, so I reckon that every car is stopped even at busy crossings.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 04:06 PM   #9109
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I was also stopped at the Øresund bridge (Sweden-bound) last summer and had my car searched.

By the way, if Denmark reinstitutes id checks (which it may temporarily do even under Schengen agreement), will those take place here? The toll plaza is on Swedish soil after all. It would be a practical place to stop all the traffic since a big part of it (those without the electronic tag) will be stopped anyway, but do the Danish have authority there?

If all traffic is stopped again on the Danish side, that would probably mean queues in the tunnel - a situation undesired by all.

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Yeah it's true they don't stop every car but what custom do that? NK- China maybe!
Finland-Russia to begin with.

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Old January 1st, 2014, 05:04 PM   #9110
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By the way, if Denmark reinstitutes customs checks (which it may temporarily do even under Schengen agreement)
no, it may not, because Schengen is a police treaty and has no say on customs matters ............
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Old January 1st, 2014, 06:34 PM   #9111
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So it's allowed to do customs checks. It has nothing to do with free movement. The French and Germans do random customs checks all the time.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 12:45 AM   #9112
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It is manned. When I was there last year there were Italian and Swiss frontier agents in the booths.
I meant at that time I was there it was unmanned. Didn't mean permanently. We crossed over 3 times that week and it was unmanned everytime.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:16 AM   #9113
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:27 AM   #9114
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 07:50 AM   #9115
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no, it may not, because Schengen is a police treaty and has no say on customs matters ............
Sorry, I meant id checks.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 08:20 AM   #9116
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By the way, if Denmark reinstitutes id checks (which it may temporarily do even under Schengen agreement), will those take place here? The toll plaza is on Swedish soil after all. It would be a practical place to stop all the traffic since a big part of it (those without the electronic tag) will be stopped anyway, but do the Danish have authority there?
Why would not they have? I think all of the land border stations at the intra-Nordic borders are operated by one country only. This happens under a mutual agreement between the countries. Most probably there is an agreement authorizing the Swedish authorities acting on behalf of Denmark, and allowing the Danish authorities to operate on designated areas in Sweden.

In general, the Schengen agreement makes it possible for the member counties to 'conclude bilateral agreements to channel and block traffic' at the borders. (Schengen Borders Code, Annex 6).
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 12:45 PM   #9117
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So it's allowed to do customs checks. It has nothing to do with free movement. The French and Germans do random customs checks all the time.
....which is completely different from stopping each and every car, in order to check passports, search the car etc.

Hell, even the Greece-Bulgaria border officers check only the passports for a second. Bulgaria is not even in the Schengen Area yet.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 01:11 PM   #9118
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....which is completely different from stopping each and every car, in order to check passports, search the car etc.

Hell, even the Greece-Bulgaria border officers check only the passports for a second. Bulgaria is not even in the Schengen Area yet.
So you are telling us, that disinfection pits and "take-a-card-hand-in-a-card" games are gone?
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 05:51 PM   #9120
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So you are telling us, that disinfection pits and "take-a-card-hand-in-a-card" games are gone?
What??!!
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