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Old January 30th, 2014, 04:07 PM   #9481
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Where was the case of crossing twice a border to go to school?
I think it wasn't far away from there, was it?
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Old January 30th, 2014, 04:39 PM   #9482
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Yes, I posted that once few months ago. Graphic display:



From Neštin to Bačka Palanka and back...too many passport stamps.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 04:50 PM   #9483
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They could make one border crossing before entering Ilok, so the serbs could go through that stretch witouht controls. But I understand the sensitive issue there.
Anyway I hear they are going to build a bridge, rght?
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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:04 PM   #9484
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They could make one border crossing before entering Ilok, so the serbs could go through that stretch witouht controls. But I understand the sensitive issue there.
Anyway I hear they are going to build a bridge, rght?
If you understand the sensitiveness of the issue, then try to avoid redistributing territory of other countries. Would you allow that some stranger do change borders of your country?
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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:09 PM   #9485
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Eucitizen's proposal didn't include the redistribution of territories...
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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #9486
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The easiest way is a free-duty road. Something like in Mulhouse or Geneva airports (and somewhere else too)... but do Croatians want to move anything for it?
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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:21 PM   #9487
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The easiest way is a free-duty road. Something like in Mulhouse or Geneva airports (and somewhere else too)... but do Croatians want to move anything for it?
You obviously didn't get it. Croatia will probably enter Schengen in 2016 and every duty-free access will be impossible after that.

If I would be Serbian, I would be proud that I can pass through the EU every day.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:26 PM   #9488
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Another example is when several people of Juarez, Mexico goes to El Paso, USA for working.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #9489
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You obviously didn't get it. Croatia will probably enter Schengen in 2016 and every duty-free access will be impossible after that.

If I would be Serbian, I would be proud that I can pass through the EU every day.


Maybe you don't know the history of osimska cesta...
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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:38 PM   #9490
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You obviously didn't get it. Croatia will probably enter Schengen in 2016 and every duty-free access will be impossible after that.

If I would be Serbian, I would be proud that I can pass through the EU every day.
But... Switzerland had them into France (or conversely) before Schengen
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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:43 PM   #9491
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What about building a school in Neštin?

On the other hand, even East-Germany had transit-routes, it should be possible here as well.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #9492
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Back to Point Roberts, I believe I read its population is too small for a high school, so students of that age are bused around the bay, through Canada, to the nearest U.S. high school.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 06:39 PM   #9493
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They could make one border crossing before entering Ilok, so the serbs could go through that stretch witouht controls. But I understand the sensitive issue there.
Anyway I hear they are going to build a bridge, rght?
The problem for them is really not the control but passport stamps. If the EU would allow Croatia not to stamp their passports or if Serbia would allow them to get new passports quickly and free of charge. Another solution would be to introduce border passes, like those Ukrainians living in border villages show when they go to Poland, Slovakia and Hungary. It's a huge financial issue for people from that poor village to get for them rather expensive passports every few weeks. It also takes time to issue passports. There are also talks to make an ID card valid for travel to Croatia like Croatia had with Slovenia and Italy before joining the EU and like Serbia already has with Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia. That would also solve the problem. More expensive solutions are building a new bridge and new school.

Corridor road is also a possibility. Croatia is negotiating a corridor road for Neum. Closed off road that would connect two parts of Croatia via Bosnian territory. In turn Croatia would have to build a new road for Bosnia to connect it with Neum as now the only normal road to Neum from Bosnia goes via Metkovic in Croatia Although a few weeks ago bypass bridge around Neum has been restarted, Croatia hopes that the EU will foot the bill. It's all nonsense really, that whole region is populated by Croats, there is nothing to bypass, border crossing is lax as it gets and Bosnia is expected to join the EU some day in the next 10-15 years when this closed off corridor would be opened for all traffic. Simplest and cheapest solution by far would be to simply just give Neum to Croatia but given how this could be sensitive in Bosnia it's not discussed.

But just because Croatia is involved in negotiations with Bosnia with such a proposals doesn't mean they would accept the same ideas in Ilok. I say this because Croatia wants to draw a border with Slovenia based on the principle that the border runs though the middle of the river flow. But with Serbia they are offering a cadastral solution, the one Slovenia proposes to them and that they are fighting. This has already been pointed out to Croatia by both sides, that you can't have it both ways, but we'll see.

I think by far the simplest solution is to stop stamping their passports.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #9494
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A bridge between Backa Palanka and Nestin would be the easiest solution.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old January 30th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #9495
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Why is it mandatory to stamp passports? (either when they are going to be under Croatian territory just for a while...)
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A free road would be the cheapest... even in Serbia doesn't want to built it (ot cannot afford), it would save money on customs)
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Old January 30th, 2014, 06:44 PM   #9497
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Maybe you don't know the history of osimska cesta...
Or this.
There were similar roads between Holland and Germany even before Schengen, don't know the exact location though (a link would be appreciated).
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Old January 30th, 2014, 06:47 PM   #9498
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Why is it mandatory to stamp passports? (either when they are going to be under Croatian territory just for a while...)
EU laws. Citizens of all countries, but EU, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein need passport to enter EU.
There were particular exceptions too, for example Croats before joining EU were able to visit Italy, Slovenia and Hungary with ID only (but not other EU countries). Maybe they will do something similar to Serbs, when Serbia will be closer to the EU.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 07:03 PM   #9499
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Maybe they will do something similar to Serbs, when Serbia will be closer to the EU.
isnt such a regulation already implemented? i have crossed the serbian border several times with my hungarian ID.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 07:07 PM   #9500
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But just because Croatia is involved in negotiations with Bosnia with such a proposals doesn't mean they would accept the same ideas in Ilok. I say this because Croatia wants to draw a border with Slovenia based on the principle that the border runs though the middle of the river flow. But with Serbia they are offering a cadastral solution, the one Slovenia proposes to them and that they are fighting. This has already been pointed out to Croatia by both sides, that you can't have it both ways, but we'll see.
No, it's the other way around: Slovenia wants border on rivers, Croatia wants cadastre (except by the sea where it's inhabited by people).
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