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Old February 2nd, 2014, 02:27 PM   #9581
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Has a motorway tunnel under the English Channel ever been proposed?
It probably has been proposed at some point, but the Channel Tunnel is usually operating at a loss (the amount of travelers is lower than anticipated) so I don't think they want another competing road tunnel.

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How long does the ferry take? What is the difference in price?
The ferry usually takes between 60 and 90 minutes depending on which ferry route you take. It's not that much slower than the tunnel if you factor in the high frequency ferry schedule and customs controls.

The ferry is often cheaper than the tunnel. The tunnel is quite expensive, especially if you travel at busy hours or don't book very far in advance. The prices can be as low as € 50 but as high as over € 150 for a single trip.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 02:31 PM   #9582
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Seeing those prices, no wonder the Channel Tunnel is usually operating at a loss...
How much is for example the bridge between Sweden and Denmark?
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 03:01 PM   #9583
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 03:04 PM   #9584
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And the Mont Blanc tunnel between France and Italy is 42 € one way...
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 03:29 PM   #9585
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The prices can be as low as € 50 but as high as over € 150 for a single trip.
Oh lŕ lŕ

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Is there a subscription for frequent travellers? How can there be people living in Malmo and working in Copenhagen with that price? They would have to spend around 1700€ just on bridge toll a month.

edit: ah there is a subscription, for 38.00 a year, it costs between 14.00 and 21.00 to cross the bridge.http://uk.oresundsbron.com/page/945
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 03:45 PM   #9586
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If I do a test booking for a single trip from Calais to Folkestone tomorrow, it costs between € 102 and € 183 depending on the time of the day. The FlexiPlus fare costs € 279.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 04:08 PM   #9587
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I have noticed at least two types of carriages: With lower ceiling and higher ceiling (for trucks). There are stairs visible in case of first ones. Where are they leading to? Is there a board with seats and perhaps canteen for passengers? If all passengers leave car, is driver supposed to leave tyhe windows halfway open?
The higher carriages are for buses, caravans and other non-commercial vehicles higher than 2 m. Trucks and other vehicles used for transport travel on open carriages, on which it is forbidden to stay in your vehicle. All drivers are picked up by a shuttle bus and brought to a passenger carriage.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 04:10 PM   #9588
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The higher carriages are for buses, caravans and non-commercial vehicles higher than 2 m. Trucks and other vehicles used for transport travel on open carriages, on which it is forbidden to stay in your vehicle. All drivers are picked up by a shuttle bus and brought to a passenger carriage.
Thank you. Played too much Eurotruck simulator So what is on the next floor in carriages for cars smaller than 2 m?
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Thank you. Played too much Eurotruck simulator So what is on the next floor in carriages for cars smaller than 2 m?
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And what about the transit between FRG and West Berlin during cold war? I heard there were motorways in DDR designated only for Westberlin transit. Were Eastern Germans allowed to use this motorways? Were Eastern Germans allowed to share the motorway and roadside rest areas with Westerns? Or what about when Western German left the motorway in the middle of DDR?
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Everyone could use those highways, but not the rest areas, which were only for East Germans of for transit traffic. Common use was forbidden.
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If I do a test booking for a single trip from Calais to Folkestone tomorrow, it costs between € 102 and € 183 depending on the time of the day. The FlexiPlus fare costs € 279.
And they still wonder why they are running losses?
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 07:44 PM   #9593
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Everyone could use those highways, but not the rest areas, which were only for East Germans of for transit traffic. Common use was forbidden.
And Wessie couldn't exit

I love reading the stories of people who used to drive those routes. Driving on such autobahn was like visiting the bottom of the sea like Jacques Cousteau, could observe, real East German!, but only from safety of inside the VW. And the famous "elastomer" sign. Thank God such insanity as this is now only history we read / hear about and not still reality.

My family had similar story earlier, escaping to West via S-bahn before wall was built. While in the East, some guards noticed large suitcases in the wagon and asked, whose they were, but... nobody said anything, and so, we are here

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Old February 2nd, 2014, 07:53 PM   #9594
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It probably has been proposed at some point, but the Channel Tunnel is usually operating at a loss (the amount of travelers is lower than anticipated) so I don't think they want another competing road tunnel.



The ferry usually takes between 60 and 90 minutes depending on which ferry route you take. It's not that much slower than the tunnel if you factor in the high frequency ferry schedule and customs controls.

The ferry is often cheaper than the tunnel. The tunnel is quite expensive, especially if you travel at busy hours or don't book very far in advance. The prices can be as low as € 50 but as high as over € 150 for a single trip.
Not really. You can pay as low as 46 pounds in both ways. I sometimes book 'day trip'* twice for a 2 or 3 week trip to Europe. One booking, let say, in 21 of July and the other in 15 of August, so I can pay less than 100 pounds in both ways.

Example for tommorow:



If it comes to difference in crossing times there is one significant advantage of Eurotunnel - no storms. Rough sea may prolong you trip for hours. And by the way, I've never experienced ferry crossing lasting less than 1 hrs 30 not counting loading and unloading (altogether about 2 hrs 15 mins in most advantageous circumstances) Tunnel is much more reliable and usually arrives on time.

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And Wessie couldn't exit
How was it enforced? Guards at every exit? It must have been very interesting.
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Not really. You can pay as low as 46 pounds in both ways. I sometimes book 'day trip'* twice for a 2 or 3 week trip to Europe. One booking, let say, in 21 of July and the other in 15 of August, so I can pay less than 100 pounds in both ways.

Example for tommorow:
Weird, I can only see very high rates for tomorrow:
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How was it enforced? Guards at every exit? It must have been very interesting.
Stasi driving cars with stolen BRD license plates, usually with expired inspection sticker
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64 pouns (about 58 euros in both ways)

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Old February 2nd, 2014, 08:33 PM   #9599
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And Wessie couldn't exit

I love reading the stories of people who used to drive those routes. Driving on such autobahn was like visiting the bottom of the sea like Jacques Cousteau, could observe, real East German!, but only from safety of inside the VW. And the famous "elastomer" sign. Thank God such insanity as this is now only history we read / hear about and not still reality.

My family had similar story earlier, escaping to West via S-bahn before wall was built. While in the East, some guards noticed large suitcases in the wagon and asked, whose they were, but... nobody said anything, and so, we are here

You can find more here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit..._durch_die_DDR
I've heard stories that if you would drive far enough from Berlin the checkpoints would stop and you would be able to go to some towns as a foreigner.
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And Wessie couldn't exit
Could, but there were watchtowers at all exits, so you would be stopped by the police within minutes.

I have been twice on the Transitautobahns (Helmstedt-Berlin) and it was quite interesting
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