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Old February 4th, 2014, 05:22 PM   #9621
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Google Maps borders can't be redrawn that easily but if you type Brezovica Žumberačka for an example, you will see the actual border.

Why is the corridor drawn if it doesn't exist though?

Here is the official map http://preglednik.arkod.hr/ARKOD-Web...45&map_sc=7142
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Old February 4th, 2014, 07:26 PM   #9622
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Baarle 2.0

Is the road marked in yellow open?
Jan Krogh has an article on his Geosite:
http://geosite.jankrogh.com/brezovica.htm

Pictures taken by me, by the way.
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Old February 4th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #9623
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Why is the corridor drawn if it doesn't exist though?
It says in Wikipedia and in the article that f.ostman posted: the "border line" that connects the exclave with the rest of interstate boundary is a line plotted for only for identification purposes in a computer program that calculates the area of the closed polygon (in this case the entire republic).

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Both countries border lines coincide in general (maybe the Slovenian map is presented a bit inaccurate), but one property (marked in red ellipse) does according to both the Croatian and Slovenian maps neither belong to Croatia or to Slovenia
It should declare independence.
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Old February 4th, 2014, 08:53 PM   #9624
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It should declare independence.
Like the Bir Tawil

Anyway, what sections of the SLO-HR border are still disputed? How do people live in this enclave? It's not (yet) Schengen so they had to cross an unmarked border every time they leave home.
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Old February 4th, 2014, 09:15 PM   #9625
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Like the Bir Tawil
Yes, but at least Egypt and Sudan have a good reason why they don't want it.

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Anyway, what sections of the SLO-HR border are still disputed? How do people live in this enclave? It's not (yet) Schengen so they had to cross an unmarked border every time they leave home.
There's no control of the exclave's border, so you can cross it freely. Much of the border is still disputed, for example the tripoint with Hungary still isn't defined, neither where the land touches the sea, and the maritime border is also disputed (Slovenia wants contact with international waters).
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Old February 4th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #9626
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Ask Joško Joras about disputes. Is he still living there at the border crossing SLO-HR? He lives just on Croatian territory, at the disputed border area at the westernmost border, but according to him it is still Slovenia
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Old February 4th, 2014, 09:59 PM   #9627
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Old February 4th, 2014, 10:06 PM   #9628
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Jan Krogh has an article on his Geosite:
http://geosite.jankrogh.com/brezovica.htm

Pictures taken by me, by the way.
Pretty cool site

If you need it for your website here is the Serbian orthophoto of the Sastavci enclave

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Old February 4th, 2014, 10:11 PM   #9629
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Recently we have had a border change. It was in the sea (territorial waters) between Peru and Chile. They had a dispute and Peru asked for a corner in the own border. They said they would assume international veredict and they finally did. It was fifty-fifty. They didn't give to Peru as many waters as they disputed but Ocean's border is changed and agreed.

What I do not know is the origin of the dispute.
Does anyone know more about it?
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Old February 4th, 2014, 10:16 PM   #9630
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Border line (de facto Iron Curtain) between Czechoslovakia and Austria.

1988


Now
http://goo.gl/maps/GFj1U

I spent my childhood nearby (my parents still live there). We moved in few months before the fall of communism but since I was at age of 3, I don't remember those barricades.

Note the rock (or rather small mountain on right) called "The Rock" (Skala). During communism, some people managed to escape from CSSR by rogallo wing from there. My elementary school were on the opposite side and I still remember border guards in 1996 checking the rock after the dusk.

Concrete columns of Iron curtain are still present along the road. You can see it here

The former road for border guards is now employed as a cycloroute.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 06:08 AM   #9631
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I get the feeling that borders have changed a bit


America 1794






America today






Europe 1748







Europe today

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Old February 5th, 2014, 07:52 AM   #9632
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Interesting history of Germany and Italy.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 10:45 AM   #9633
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OK, I found it...



Chile requested to have a "sea border" paralel to the equator (departing on the land border)
Peru requested to have a "sea border" as a continuation of the land border.

Solution given if fifty-fifty for both and they agree. I do not know if it is effective right now because decission is quite recent.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 02:34 PM   #9634
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Europe 1748 is wrong, it doesn't show Prince-Bishopric of Montenegro.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 03:19 PM   #9635
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From that point of view, all countries in the map are wrong. To my best knowledge, the only one-word-country in the world is Japan.

The rest of them... Republic of, kingdom of and so on....


Better back to borders.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 03:20 PM   #9636
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If somebody wants to compare evolution of politican borders, try this: http://geacron.com/home-en/
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Old February 5th, 2014, 03:40 PM   #9637
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To my best knowledge, the only one-word-country in the world is Japan.

The rest of them... Republic of, kingdom of and so on....


Better back to borders.
Many countries in Europe are "one-word-countries": Romania, Montenegro, Hungary, Ukraine...they are all republics, but they don't have that word in official name.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 05:33 PM   #9638
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Many countries in Europe are "one-word-countries": Romania, Montenegro, Hungary, Ukraine...they are all republics, but they don't have that word in official name.
Not exactly... I mean official name which is registered in UN.

For instance, "there is not any country called France". There is one called "French republic" or Republique française.

When some of my friends look their driving licence or passport and got surprised because it is written "Kingdom of Spain" (in Spanish) I remember them that it is the only official name.

Japan had the name of "empire of Japan" until the WWII and later just Japan. Other countries at least two words (and can be longer)
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Old February 5th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #9639
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Not to open a can of worms here, but the English-speaking world, and not only it, generally treats the Americas as two continents. (And if Europe and Asia, which touch each other for thousands of miles, can be separate continents, why can't two large landmasses whose only connection is the isthmus of Panama be?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contine..._of_continents
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Not exactly... I mean official name which is registered in UN.

For instance, "there is not any country called France". There is one called "French republic" or Republique française.

When some of my friends look their driving licence or passport and got surprised because it is written "Kingdom of Spain" (in Spanish) I remember them that it is the only official name.

Japan had the name of "empire of Japan" until the WWII and later just Japan. Other countries at least two words (and can be longer)
Hungary is just Hungary. Since 2011 it has been declared in constitution.

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Not to open a can of worms here, but the English-speaking world, and not only it, generally treats the Americas as two continents. (And if Europe and Asia, which touch each other for thousands of miles, can be separate continents, why can't two large landmasses whose only connection is the isthmus of Panama be?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contine..._of_continents
It obviously depends on particular attitude how we treat them. Regarding lithospheric plates Europe and Asia creates Eurasia and we have two Americas. Regarding culture we consider America as one single unit In my country. However It is always divided into two subunits : Northern America and Latin America according the official languages (portuguese and spanish is spoken there mostly [apart of dutch or french or english in Guyanas] and both are derived frtom latin language). Sometimes Latin America is broken down into central and south.

PeRsonally i am in favour with two Americas since the differences in many fields are indeed conspicuous
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