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Old February 5th, 2014, 06:12 PM   #9641
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Quebec, French Guyana, Guadaloupe, Martinique, Saint Martin, Saint Pierre and Miquelon are linguistically part of Latin America too, even if the term Latin America is usually referred only to Spanish and Portoguese speaking countries. On the other hand, the English and Dutch speaking Caribbean islands should not be included in Latin America.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 06:16 PM   #9642
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Europe 1748

What's the purple enclave is S-E France?
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Old February 5th, 2014, 06:17 PM   #9643
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Sometimes, Canadians (at least in English) use "North America" as shorthand for "Canada and the U.S." To me, it's the continent, so it includes Mexico and Central America.

Of course, many Europeans use "Europe" to mean the E.U., thus leaving out indisputably European places like Switzerland and Norway.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 06:17 PM   #9644
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Not exactly... I mean official name which is registered in UN.
Well yes but as he said there is no such thing as the Republic of Ukraine or Republic of Romania.

Single word country names

Barbados
Belize
Canada
Georgia
Grenada
Hungary
Ireland (Republic used as a description to distinguish but is not part of the official name)
Jamaica
Japan
Malaysia
Mongolia
Montenegro
Romania
Russia (name equal with Russian Federation)
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Ukraine

also country names that contain more words than one but no designation of the type of government

Antigua and Barbuda
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Burkina Faso
New Zealand
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Solomon Islands

and some are really creative

Nation of Brunei, Abode of Peace
Most Serene Republic of San Marino
Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
Plurinational State of Bolivia
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Old February 5th, 2014, 06:17 PM   #9645
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What's the purple enclave is S-E France?
The Comtat Venaissin.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #9646
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Well yes but as he said there is no such thing as the Republic of Ukraine or Republic of Romania.
Official name of Italy is "Repubblica Italiana" (Italian Republic). But I don't whine if someone calls it just Italy...
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Old February 5th, 2014, 06:39 PM   #9647
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Hungary is just Hungary. Since 2011 it has been declared in constitution.


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Old February 5th, 2014, 06:57 PM   #9648
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I read that Hungary was renamed in the new, controversial, costitution to show that the definition of Hungary is ethnically-based and can include also Hungarian population living in neighbouring countries and not limited to the territory of the "Hungarian Republic".
Unfortunately abroad it's difficult to get a clear idea about the new Hungarian regime, since mass media are politicized. Most mass media in EU countries are pro-EU, so orban is depicted as dictatorial, fascist, racist, but if you read "alternative sources" you hear that Hungarian economy did better with Orban than with the previous governments and wants the freedom of his country from the European power.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 07:18 PM   #9649
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I read that Hungary was renamed in the new, controversial, costitution to show that the definition of Hungary is ethnically-based and can include also Hungarian population living in neighbouring countries and not limited to the territory of the "Hungarian Republic".
Unfortunately abroad it's difficult to get a clear idea about the new Hungarian regime, since mass media are politicized. Most mass media in EU countries are pro-EU, so orban is depicted as dictatorial, fascist, racist, but if you read "alternative sources" you hear that Hungarian economy did better with Orban than with the previous governments and wants the freedom of his country from the European power.

Hungarian minority is very good political topic in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia as well as in Hungary itself. Renaming Hungary was, at least I guess, part of it. I remember times when everything was politicized and media creates situation of almost war. Now there is age of peace and I hope it will remain for a long time.

For me, Orban is not that bad as media describes him, but I definitely would not vote him if I could. He is just little bit more populist and sometimes I think he uses fairly not democratic tools to ensure his popularity. The second question is about hungarian opposition. Does it even exist? Has anything to offer?
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Old February 5th, 2014, 07:45 PM   #9650
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Bosnia and Herzegovina is also just "Bosnia and Herzegovina". "Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina" was term used by Bosnian Muslims since 1992 and this was abandoned after Dayton agreement in 1995.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 07:50 PM   #9651
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orszag means country, so Magyarorszag means Hungarian state. Whether this waters down the territorial element of a country and somehow changes the meaning of the country into an entity of peoples wherever they are, I don't know, but I doubt it, I think even if that was an intention, it's purely symbolic under the current world order and within the EU that has strict rules. There are other countries with such a name State of Israel, State of Eritrea, State of Kuwait, State of Libya, State of Palestine, State of Qatar. And pretty much all countries in this area have special laws for cooperation with their ethnic group in neighbouring states.

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Yes I listed it in the 2nd group. It was also the Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina in Yugoslavia, and People's Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina before that. The same goes for Montenegro.

Speaking of Montenegro, in Serbian it's called Crna Gora, so two words, but in English just one.
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Old February 6th, 2014, 12:31 AM   #9652
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I read that Hungary was renamed in the new, controversial, costitution to show that the definition of Hungary is ethnically-based and can include also Hungarian population living in neighbouring countries and not limited to the territory of the "Hungarian Republic".
Unfortunately abroad it's difficult to get a clear idea about the new Hungarian regime, since mass media are politicized. Most mass media in EU countries are pro-EU, so orban is depicted as dictatorial, fascist, racist, but if you read "alternative sources" you hear that Hungarian economy did better with Orban than with the previous governments and wants the freedom of his country from the European power.
Well I don't want to go deep into the political BS and I mean both our domestic issues and how the West looks at us. (Okay, just two things: If Orbán is sooo racist then why do 56% of the Roma population want to vote for Fidesz? On the other hand the economy still needs some investors badly.)

You can read the full text of the new constitution here in English (please look at the third part of the preamble or Article XXIX):
http://www.kormany.hu/download/2/ab/...Alap_angol.pdf
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Hungarian minority is very good political topic in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia as well as in Hungary itself. Renaming Hungary was, at least I guess, part of it. I remember times when everything was politicized and media creates situation of almost war. Now there is age of peace and I hope it will remain for a long time.

For me, Orban is not that bad as media describes him, but I definitely would not vote him if I could. He is just little bit more populist and sometimes I think he uses fairly not democratic tools to ensure his popularity. The second question is about hungarian opposition. Does it even exist? Has anything to offer?
Again I don't want to go into too much detail now. It takes two to tango and sadly there were and are some politicians on both sides of the border who wanted to gain popularity by stirring up these differences. But as you said it, the situation is getting better now and it's definitely a good thing.

About your second question... well... the most they can offer is that they are not Fidesz.
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the situation is getting better now and it's definitely a good thing.
I have never had something against Hungarian minority and had always good experiences. So I've got always peace in my mind towards them. But wait until some elections take place and we will see whether politicians on both sides grew up or not
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The Americas are sometimes divided in north america and latin america, but this is wrong because you cant mix geography with culture. People get confused sometimes, the correct is North America-South America and Anglo America-Latin America.


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Spanish, french, portuguese...

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Geographically speaking, Greenland is also a part of North America.

Iceland, on the other hand, was born of the lava that erupted in the process of North America and Europe tearing apart of each other (which process is still underway) - so geographically speaking, it isn't a part of either any more than the another
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I read that Hungary was renamed in the new, controversial, costitution to show that the definition of Hungary is ethnically-based and can include also Hungarian population living in neighbouring countries and not limited to the territory of the "Hungarian Republic".
Unfortunately abroad it's difficult to get a clear idea about the new Hungarian regime, since mass media are politicized. Most mass media in EU countries are pro-EU, so orban is depicted as dictatorial, fascist, racist, but if you read "alternative sources" you hear that Hungarian economy did better with Orban than with the previous governments and wants the freedom of his country from the European power.
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We Hungarians know this ancient latin saying: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.
Today we would say, double standard policy..We have learned the lesson.
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The Americas are sometimes divided in north america and latin america, but this is wrong because you cant mix geography with culture. People get confused sometimes, the correct is North America-South America and Anglo America-Latin America.

This is basically right. But it may sounds ridiculous and confusing to common people if I state "I am going to Anglo-America" speaking of (British) Guyana
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Is language the only defining thing of culture, though? Cutting Quebec out of Anglo-America looks ridiculous on a map to me even though it's French-speaking. Especially given that you've got very Anglo things there like Elizabeth II on the money.
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Is language the only defining thing of culture, though? Cutting Quebec out of Anglo-America looks ridiculous on a map to me even though it's French-speaking. Especially given that you've got very Anglo things there like Elizabeth II on the money.
Yes, and in the meantime it's not in the fourth map either while the other French-speaking areas are.
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Is language the only defining thing of culture, though? Cutting Quebec out of Anglo-America looks ridiculous on a map to me even though it's French-speaking. Especially given that you've got very Anglo things there like Elizabeth II on the money.
No, I think it should not be taken that strictly. I suppose all Guyanas (incl. Suriname) belongs rather to Latin America than Anglo-America.

I perceive the word "Latin" in "Latin America" as somehting that determines the nature of culture, not only the development of language. I think Guyana is closer to Brazilian culture than British. Namely, I am sure that inhabitants of Guyana better dance samba than tell boring British jokes
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