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Old February 6th, 2014, 06:43 PM   #9661
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No, I think it should not be taken that strictly. I suppose all Guyanas (incl. Suriname) belongs rather to Latin America than Anglo-America.

I perceive the word "Latin" in "Latin America" as somehting that determines the nature of culture, not only the development of language. I think Guyana is closer to Brazilian culture than British. Namely, I am sure that inhabitants of Guyana better dance samba than tell boring British jokes


Talking about "continent borders" I remember my Geography lessons.

Teacher taugh that:

- for weather and some climate influences, he talked only about four continents. Europe and Asia one together, Africa, Oceania and America. He didn't talk about Antarctica for this issue and the reason of only four was because in the Eastern Asia you fin several things quite similar to Eastern America (never mind if north or south) or Eastern Africa. The same case for Western (in this case Europe) similar to Western America (never mind if north or south) and Africa indeed.

- for islands, all of them related to the nearest continent, never mind the country they are part of, either the international treaties. Cyprus is African. This single Spanish island in the middle of nowhere is African too (a little more near to Africa than to Europe), Greenland is American, Easter Island (Chile) is from Oceania and so on...

- and for continents in the rest of issues, always six. Africa was set in the Suez canal (thus Egypt has part of the territory in Asia) and about America, I learn about North America until Yucatan (Canada, USA and almost all Mexico), Central America for all Caribean islands and from Yucatan to Panama canal (so a small part of Mexico and part of Panama) and finally south America from Panama canal until the south (I think it has nonsense to set it in a political border Panama-Colombia, should it change, should we have to change the continent?)


And, finally about languages... all caribean countries except Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic do not speak Spanish.
All continental countries in the area except Guyana, French Guyanne, Surinam and... Belize speak Spanish (or Portuguese... because Brazil)

I do not know in the case of Portuguese but speaking in Spanish, the word America refers to the whole continent, from Alaska to Ushuaia. If you want to talk about the US, you may say the full name of the country. In the case of the word "American" it is more often to use it for anything related to USA, but you have to see the context.
Just think in any news, any meeting, any affair related to "American countries" or so... think in the language it is probably they will use and think they will not avoid the word for themselves.
Latin-America is barely used in Spanish (it exists but barely used). Latin... is the name of a language not spoken already.
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Old February 6th, 2014, 06:48 PM   #9662
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In English, "American countries" is meaningless*. It's "North and South America," "the Americas," or "the Western Hemisphere." "Western Hemisphere countries" would be the best way to say that.

*Google it. You get some entries that are about "North American countries," some that are about "Latin-American countries"....
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"The Americas" is never used in Dutch as far as I know. When people say "Amerika" they mean the U.S.A. It's usually North and South America, with Panama being on the border of both. The term Central America is usually applied in a cultural sense, not in a continental geographical sense.
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Old February 6th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #9664
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As I think back, I have never used "American countries". Can't imagine, what it would be. Perhaps American states - it could refer to 50 states of USA.

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"United States" is also very unclear notion since it may refer to Mexico and Brazil (at least in my language) as well as to USA. But people using this term to USA.

The same goes to "America". If someone tells "America", 50 % he thinks USA, 50 % continent.
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Old February 6th, 2014, 06:57 PM   #9665
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It's interesting to play with Wikipedia articles. The English article on "Continents" starts out by saying there are seven of them, although farther down it recognizes that there are different models.

The Spanish article starts out with the five-continent definition.

There's a Spanish article on "América" which corresponds to an English one on "Americas."
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Lol..... one of those states is not in America!!!!!!


Btw, in Spanish, "The Americas" exists but not used. It refers when almost one century ago there was many emigration to there and "people were to the Americas" (to somewhere in the America continent)
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Old February 6th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #9667
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Btw. have you noticed we are still in topic? But we are rather talking about "international boundaries" than "border crossings"
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Old February 6th, 2014, 07:09 PM   #9668
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"The Americas" is never used in Dutch as far as I know. When people say "Amerika" they mean the U.S.A. It's usually North and South America, with Panama being on the border of both. The term Central America is usually applied in a cultural sense, not in a continental geographical sense.
Much the same in Hungary, actually in Denmark too. When you hear someone telling you about a trip to "Amerika" we all mean USA and not f eks. Peru.
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Talking about "continent borders" I remember my Geography lessons.

Teacher taugh that:

- for weather and some climate influences, he talked only about four continents. Europe and Asia one together, Africa, Oceania and America. He didn't talk about Antarctica for this issue and the reason of only four was because in the Eastern Asia you fin several things quite similar to Eastern America (never mind if north or south) or Eastern Africa. The same case for Western (in this case Europe) similar to Western America (never mind if north or south) and Africa indeed.

- for islands, all of them related to the nearest continent, never mind the country they are part of, either the international treaties. Cyprus is African. This single Spanish island in the middle of nowhere is African too (a little more near to Africa than to Europe), Greenland is American, Easter Island (Chile) is from Oceania and so on...

- and for continents in the rest of issues, always six. Africa was set in the Suez canal (thus Egypt has part of the territory in Asia) and about America, I learn about North America until Yucatan (Canada, USA and almost all Mexico), Central America for all Caribean islands and from Yucatan to Panama canal (so a small part of Mexico and part of Panama) and finally south America from Panama canal until the south (I think it has nonsense to set it in a political border Panama-Colombia, should it change, should we have to change the continent?)


And, finally about languages... all caribean countries except Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic do not speak Spanish.
All continental countries in the area except Guyana, French Guyanne, Surinam and... Belize speak Spanish (or Portuguese... because Brazil)

I do not know in the case of Portuguese but speaking in Spanish, the word America refers to the whole continent, from Alaska to Ushuaia. If you want to talk about the US, you may say the full name of the country. In the case of the word "American" it is more often to use it for anything related to USA, but you have to see the context.
Just think in any news, any meeting, any affair related to "American countries" or so... think in the language it is probably they will use and think they will not avoid the word for themselves.
Latin-America is barely used in Spanish (it exists but barely used). Latin... is the name of a language not spoken already.
Cyprus isn't closer to Asia (Turkey) than Africa? (Yes, I could look at a map, but I can't be bothered. See sig. :-) )
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Btw. have you noticed we are still in topic? But we are rather talking about "international boundaries" than "border crossings"
Well, we have to be good: Chris is here.
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Geographically speaking, Greenland is also a part of North America.

Iceland, on the other hand, was born of the lava that erupted in the process of North America and Europe tearing apart of each other (which process is still underway) - so geographically speaking, it isn't a part of either any more than the another
Yes, if you're talking about tectonic plates, but otherwise it's actually closer to North America (Greenland).
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Cyprus isn't closer to Asia (Turkey) than Africa? (Yes, I could look at a map, but I can't be bothered. See sig. :-) )
Ooooooops... you're right!!!!!

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No, I think it should not be taken that strictly. I suppose all Guyanas (incl. Suriname) belongs rather to Latin America than Anglo-America.

I perceive the word "Latin" in "Latin America" as somehting that determines the nature of culture, not only the development of language. I think Guyana is closer to Brazilian culture than British. Namely, I am sure that inhabitants of Guyana better dance samba than tell boring British jokes
I guess that the original idea must have been much simpler... surely when someone decided to start using Latin-America (and "latinoamerica" in spanish) they just forgot that the guyannas or the small caribbean islands even existed... so they surely were looking for a way to describe (geographically) the american continent outside USA and Canada. Since you can't call it "spanish-america" because Brazil speaks portuguese, the only option to tie both spanish and portuguese is to refer to the Latin language they evolved from... (French also evolved from latin so it's still ok for all the french territories, just the dutch or english ones would be a problem).

Culturally Latin America is less homogenic than what many people believe.
Go to to Patagonia and you might find snow and blondes with spanish names and german surnames dancing electronic music, go to certain parts of Bolivia and you might find true indian decendants keeping it's original culture, go to Brazil and you might find a lot of japanese decendants... it's a quite complex area if you travel it...
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Old February 7th, 2014, 03:43 AM   #9674
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I think Guyana is closer to Brazilian culture than British. Namely, I am sure that inhabitants of Guyana better dance samba than tell boring British jokes
you all seem to forget Carribbean islands like Trinidat and Tobago, these have an cultural mix of british-india, the same for Guyana but it still has some dutch background. hardly no latin american influences for there are almost no road connections. these countrys are connected with europe by air and sea! cricket is the national sport in both countries
the same for Suriname dutch-african-india inflluences. in fact all these countries resemble more the indian subcontinent, included bollywood films!
Dominica and Haiti have a nice mix of french-africa with an english topping. they both speak a similar language.
all these countries are still oriented to europe, most connections in the region are by air or sea. road connections with naboring latin american countries hardly exist, there is almost no trade between them.

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I think Guyana is closer to Brazilian culture than British. Namely, I am sure that inhabitants of Guyana better dance samba than tell boring British jokes
you all seem to forget Carribbean islands like Trinidat and Tobago, these have an cultural mix of british-india, the same for Guyana but it still has some dutch background. hardly no latin american influences for there are almost no road connections. these countrys are connected with europe by air and sea!
the same for Suriname dutch-african-india inflluences. in fact these countrys resemble more the indian subcontinent, included bollywood films!
Dominica and Haiti have a nice mix of french-africa with an english topping. they both speak a similar language.
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Just another boring invisible inner Schengen border...



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Belgium is finally doing something about the abandoned customs infrastructure at the border with France.

After Hensies, the old buildings at the Rekkem border station are now being demolished.

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