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Old February 13th, 2014, 07:07 AM   #9681
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From that point of view, all countries in the map are wrong. To my best knowledge, the only one-word-country in the world is Japan.

The rest of them... Republic of, kingdom of and so on....


Better back to borders.
Japan in Japanese is 日本 and the official name of Japan in Japanese is 日本国 (country of Japan).

Canada and Ireland are well known examples of countries without a long official name. It is common to say Republic of Ireland to describe the State or to distinguish it from Northern Ireland but the official name of Ireland is just Ireland or …ire in Irish.

It is worth to mention that there are countries without a short name: the Dominican Republic (not Dominica which is a different country) and the Czech Republic (Czechia has been suggested but it's neither official nor used).
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Old February 13th, 2014, 11:32 AM   #9682
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It is worth to mention that there are countries without a short name: the Dominican Republic (not Dominica which is a different country) and the Czech Republic (Czechia has been suggested but it's neither official nor used).
True. In Czech language there is a name, Čechy; however, despite being the root of the country name, it refers to the area known in English as Bohemia. A major part of Czech republic, but not the whole of it.

Another interesting thing is the comparison of the Netherlands and the Kingdom of the Netherlands; the latter being an union, which also includes some territory in the Caribbean.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:01 PM   #9683
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It is worth to mention that there are countries without a short name: the Dominican Republic (not Dominica which is a different country) and the Czech Republic (Czechia has been suggested but it's neither official nor used).
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True. In Czech language there is a name, Čechy; however, despite being the root of the country name, it refers to the area known in English as Bohemia. A major part of Czech republic, but not the whole of it.
They say Česko.


As for "Czechia": if you talk and especially write about the country a lot, you'll probably start using it, because "the Czech Republic" is kind of long. Also:
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Following the dissolution of Czechoslovakia at the end of 1992, the Czech part of the former nation found itself without a common single-word name in English. In 1993, the Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs suggested the name Czechia /ˈtʃɛkiə/ (Česko Czech pronunciation: [ˈtʃɛsko] in Czech) as an official alternative in all situations other than formal official documents and the full names of government institutions; however, this has not become widespread in English.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:12 PM   #9684
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It is "TsjechiŽ" in Dutch. The Č is phonetically turned into "tsj". "ia" usually becomes "iŽ" in Dutch, though not universally. Virginia, Georgia and Pennsylvania retain their names in Dutch, but California becomes CaliforniŽ, it is the only state which changes its name in Dutch, though technically it could also be Noord Dakota, Nieuw York and Zuid Carolina but this is never used.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #9685
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There's a famous sports commentator in Italy who often uses "Cechia". But I only heard this word from him, everyone else uses "Repubblica Ceca".
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #9686
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interesting thing about the name of the Netherlands is obligatory using of article the I think it is the one of the kind.

btw I've heard more time from Italians using Cechia
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:31 PM   #9687
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True. In Czech language there is a name, Čechy; however, despite being the root of the country name, it refers to the area known in English as Bohemia. A major part of Czech republic, but not the whole of it.

Another interesting thing is the comparison of the Netherlands and the Kingdom of the Netherlands; the latter being an union, which also includes some territory in the Caribbean.
Well Czech republic consists of Moravia (Morava), Bohemia (Čechy) and Silesia (Sliezsko). If you refer to any municipality in Moravia as Čechy, people could get offended. It is similar like calling someone from Vojvodina Kosovian.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:36 PM   #9688
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Well Czech republic consists of Moravia (Morava), Bohemia (Čechy) and Silesia (Sliezsko). If you refer to any municipality in Moravia as Čechy, people could get offended. It is similar like calling someone from Vojvodina Kosovian.
it's more like saying to the people from the Netherlands that they are from Holland
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #9689
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interesting thing about the name of the Netherlands is obligatory using of article the I think it is the one of the kind.
Obama is president of the United States

The Bahamas, the Gambia, the Philippines, the United Arab Emirates and the United Kingdom are also pretty common.

In Dutch, the Netherlands is actually singular; Nederland, not Nederlanden, so today the correct translation would be Netherland, or just call it Nederland like they do in Texas and Colorado
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interesting thing about the name of the Netherlands is obligatory using of article the I think it is the one of the kind.

btw I've heard more time from Italians using Cechia
Maybe they're following the commentator...

To my ears Cechia is cacophonous.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:48 PM   #9691
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There's a famous sports commentator in Italy who often uses "Cechia". But I only heard this word from him, everyone else uses "Repubblica Ceca".
Really? In Romanian everybody says "Cehia". Officially it's called "Republica Cehă", but I guess it's too long for people to use it in everyday life. The only country that I can think of right now that people call by its official name is the Republic of Moldova. People call it "Republica Moldova" to differentiate it from the Romanian Moldova, the western half of the historical Principality of Moldova that remained part of Romania.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #9692
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Obama is president of the United States

The Bahamas, the Gambia, the Philippines, the United Arab Emirates and the United Kingdom are also pretty common.

In Dutch, the Netherlands is actually singular; Nederland, not Nederlanden, so today the correct translation would be Netherland, or just call it Nederland like they do in Texas and Colorado
i actually thought about one-word countries. i forgot the Bahamas and the Phillipines, but the Gambia is even more interesting
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Old February 13th, 2014, 07:23 PM   #9693
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it's more like saying to the people from the Netherlands that they are from Holland
A pretty amusing situation happened at PhD defending of one of my colleague. Here in Slovakia, we called the country Holandsko (which is obviously derived from Holland) whereas Czech call it Nizozemsko (which is derived from Netherlands or rather it Dutch translation.

Unfortunately, he got two opponents from Czech republic and they were quite negatively surprised why was he talking about Holland and had not included the entire Netherlands

By the way, I can't imagine what is the adjective "Dutch" derived from? Why we don't use "Netherlandsish" okay... maybe it is better as it has been up to now
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interesting thing about the name of the Netherlands is obligatory using of article the
It's not true. You use it only in a sentence, but otherwise it's just Netherlands (yes, the Dutch thread's title is wrong). The only countries with "the" in their names are The Bahamas and The Gambia.

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It's not true. You use it only in a sentence, but otherwise it's just Netherlands. OTOH, it's The Bahamas and The Gambia.
ok, but you will never say in the Germany, but you will say in the Netherlands
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ok, but you will never say in the Germany, but you will say in the Netherlands
Yes, but it isn't obligatory, as you said (it actually shouldn't be in the name itself at all).
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Well, the native speakers should join our "Balkan English talks" and clarify it . Articles are nightmare to me, but I think, you can use the "the" in case it refers to a general noun and the individual name of country represents only the subject.

The Slovakia is wrong, but I think the usage of The republic of Slovakia may be all right since the "the" is linked to a general noun "republic" not Slovakia.
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Yes, but it isn't obligatory, as you said (it actually shouldn't be in the name itself at all).
khm, i wouldn't be so sure. try to google it a bit. i also remember that our english teacher in elementary school talked something about it.
also, i have taken a look at dictionary. it is not the newst, but anyway...
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It is worth to mention that there are countries without a short name: the Dominican Republic (not Dominica which is a different country) and the Czech Republic (Czechia has been suggested but it's neither official nor used).
How about the Republic of the Congo and the Democratic Republic of the Congo? Just "Congo" would lead to confusion, that is why sometimes I want to think about the former Zaire as the Belgian Congo...
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It is "TsjechiŽ" in Dutch. The Č is phonetically turned into "tsj". "ia" usually becomes "iŽ" in Dutch, though not universally. Virginia, Georgia and Pennsylvania retain their names in Dutch, but California becomes CaliforniŽ, it is the only state which changes its name in Dutch, though technically it could also be Noord Dakota, Nieuw York and Zuid Carolina but this is never used.
AFAIK the other Georgia doesn't retain that name in Dutch, so you have advantage as the state and the country don't have the same name...

Anyway, this is really off-topic. I believe is time to go back.
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They say Česko.


As for "Czechia": if you talk and especially write about the country a lot, you'll probably start using it, because "the Czech Republic" is kind of long. Also:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic#Etymology
The "this has not become widespread in English," I would suggest to non-English-speakers, is the most important part of that quote. [curmudgeon mode off]

Now, it occurred to me recently that I don't know if "British Isles" has an equivalent in other languages. I don't think I've heard "Óles Britanniques" in French. So, how do various continental languages say it?
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