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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:40 PM   #9701
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It is "Tsjechië" in Dutch. The Č is phonetically turned into "tsj". "ia" usually becomes "ië" in Dutch, though not universally. Virginia, Georgia and Pennsylvania retain their names in Dutch, but California becomes Californië, it is the only state which changes its name in Dutch, though technically it could also be Noord Dakota, Nieuw York and Zuid Carolina but this is never used.
You should call New York "Nieuw Nederland." It would make perfect sense. [DISCLAIMER: That's not a serious, you're-misusing-your-language, suggestion that would be totally out of line on my part.]
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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:40 PM   #9702
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"Britse eilanden" is quite common in Dutch. Many people use the name "England" when they refer to the UK though.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:42 PM   #9703
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It's not true. You use it only in a sentence, but otherwise it's just Netherlands (yes, the Dutch thread's title is wrong). The only countries with "the" in their names are The Bahamas and The Gambia.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:43 PM   #9704
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Well, the native speakers should join our "Balkan English talks" and clarify it .
Happy to oblige.

But it is snowing, yet again.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #9705
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"Britse eilanden" is quite common in Dutch. Many people use the name "England" when they refer to the UK though.
Not Engeland?

Was looking at an item in Le Figaro Magazine yesterday, on the travel page, about luxury trains between London and Edinburgh, which talked about the opportunity to see some of the high points of "Angleterre." I'm not sure if they were talking about places you could see en route, or misusing England to include Scotland. Perhaps - troll mode on - they're trying to anger the Scots into seceding from the UK - troll mode off.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:55 PM   #9706
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Maybe they're following the commentator...

To my ears Cechia is cacophonous.


so it happens in Spanish but both words are used.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 10:07 PM   #9707
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Now, it occurred to me recently that I don't know if "British Isles" has an equivalent in other languages. I don't think I've heard "îles Britanniques" in French. So, how do various continental languages say it?
In Finnish it's Britteinsaaret. It's used in weather reports and things like that.

UK is officially "Yhdistynyt kuningaskunta" or "Ison-Britannian ja Pohjois-Irlannin yhdistynyt kuningaskunta". It cannot be shortened as YK because that means UN. More commonly used name, including newspapers, is "Iso-Britannia" or simply "Britannia".
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Old February 13th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #9708
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Now, it occurred to me recently that I don't know if "British Isles" has an equivalent in other languages. I don't think I've heard "îles Britanniques" in French. So, how do various continental languages say it?
We say Îles Britanniques as well in French.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 11:08 PM   #9709
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Now, it occurred to me recently that I don't know if "British Isles" has an equivalent in other languages. I don't think I've heard "îles Britanniques" in French. So, how do various continental languages say it?
In Italian there is no distinction between isle and island. So it's just "Isole Britanniche", considering Great Britain and Ireland (plus the minor ones).

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Old February 13th, 2014, 11:14 PM   #9710
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What is the actual status on Kosovo crossings with Serbia?

If for example you entered Kosovo from Albania, end want to exit to Serbia? I know there were problems if doing so, and you wouldn't be let inside Serbia (no problems if you entered Serbia first and have a valid entrance). Would you have to show a passport to Serbian control (and so get you Kosovo stamp annulled) or an ID would also suffice?
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Old February 13th, 2014, 11:30 PM   #9711
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We say Îles Britanniques as well in French.
Bon. So it's just that I've never heard it.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 01:04 AM   #9712
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The Slovakia is wrong, but I think the usage of The republic of Slovakia may be all right since the "the" is linked to a general noun "republic" not Slovakia.
It's actually Slovak Republic, not Republic of Slovakia. Again, you use it only in a sentence. The official long name of Slovakia isn't "The Slovak Republic", but "Slovak Republic". On the other hand, it's "The Kingdom of the Netherlands".

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How about the Republic of the Congo and the Democratic Republic of the Congo? Just "Congo" would lead to confusion, that is why sometimes I want to think about the former Zaire as the Belgian Congo...
When Zaire still existed the Republic of the Congo was known simply as "Congo". I suppose it's still entitled to use this short name, but hardly anyone still uses it, especially since it's much smaller than DRC. On contrary, many people call DRC "Congo".

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Now, it occurred to me recently that I don't know if "British Isles" has an equivalent in other languages. I don't think I've heard "îles Britanniques" in French. So, how do various continental languages say it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles (there are plenty of languages on the left)

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khm, i wouldn't be so sure. try to google it a bit. i also remember that our english teacher in elementary school talked something about it.
also, i have taken a look at dictionary. it is not the newst, but anyway...
My Slovenian-English dictionary says the same, but I wouldn't trust them too much in this case.
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In English, the Bahamas is one of only two countries whose official name begins with the word "the", along with The Gambia.[10]
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Old February 14th, 2014, 01:40 AM   #9713
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Bon. So it's just that I've never heard it.
French people usually try to avoid talking about England entirely or just call them rosbifs

I think the normal reference to Congo is by capital city, usually these days "Congo-Brazzaville" or "Congo-Kinshasa", at least when I have heard in English or French in places where it was needed to be clear...

In Canada in english we often say "the Ukraine" but some Ukranian-descent people get annoyed by the "the" and insist on only "Ukraine".

I have tendency to just call Czech "C Z", it sounds pretty cool...
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Old February 14th, 2014, 08:08 AM   #9714
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Old February 14th, 2014, 09:19 AM   #9715
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French people usually try to avoid talking about England entirely or just call them rosbifs

I think the normal reference to Congo is by capital city, usually these days "Congo-Brazzaville" or "Congo-Kinshasa", at least when I have heard in English or French in places where it was needed to be clear...

In Canada in english we often say "the Ukraine" but some Ukranian-descent people get annoyed by the "the" and insist on only "Ukraine".

I have tendency to just call Czech "C Z", it sounds pretty cool...
as we are diverging from official names and go to the spoken language:

- for the joke: it's exact that french speaking people use to speak about the british as the "rosbifs" , but they have the reply ready and spek about "froggies" when speaking about frenchies .
- more seriously: both Congo's have always (at least as long as I live) been called Congo and Congo-Brazza: more was not necessary to distinguish them (even in times of Zaïre)
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Old February 14th, 2014, 01:36 PM   #9716
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Görzer Mauer.
How well guarded by the Yugoslavian army was Nova Gorica? Was the area forbidden for other Yugoslavian citizens not living there, like border areas of DDR and Hungary were?
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Old February 14th, 2014, 01:45 PM   #9717
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How well guarded by the Yugoslavian army was Nova Gorica? Was the area forbidden for other Yugoslavian citizens not living there, like border areas of DDR and Hungary were?
No, you could touch the border from both sides, the situation was more relaxed in Yugoslavia than in Warsaw Pact countries. However there was border police patrolling the border and arresting people who crossed it. One who knew my father was detained for a week in Koper back in the 70s for walking few meters into Yugoslavia by mistake (there were no fences in the forest).
Despite all terrible episodes during Italian fascism (forced italianization of Slovenes and Croats living in Italian territory), WWII (Italian invasion of Yugoslavia with mass murders and deportations, together with Nazi Germany) and communist repression after WWII (occupation of Trieste, foibe, Istrian exodus, Goli Otok), relationship between Italy and Yugoslavia were quite normal since the 1960s and it was possible to cross the border without visa. Until the fall of communism Italian media used to hide crimes committed by Yugoslavs against Italian in 1943-48 to avoid "diplomatic problems" and I think it was outrageous.
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It's actually Slovak Republic, not Republic of Slovakia. Again, you use it only in a sentence. The official long name of Slovakia isn't "The Slovak Republic", but "Slovak Republic". On the other hand, it's "The Kingdom of the Netherlands".

When Zaire still existed the Republic of the Congo was known simply as "Congo". I suppose it's still entitled to use this short name, but hardly anyone still uses it, especially since it's much smaller than DRC. On contrary, many people call DRC "Congo".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles (there are plenty of languages on the left)

My Slovenian-English dictionary says the same, but I wouldn't trust them too much in this case.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bah...mology_of_name
I can remember pre-Zaire references to "Congo (Leopoldville)" and "Congo (Brazzaville)." Now - warning, brilliant idea coming - why don't we just call them East and West Congo? Worked for the Germanies, Works for the Koreas....
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French people usually try to avoid talking about England entirely or just call them rosbifs

I think the normal reference to Congo is by capital city, usually these days "Congo-Brazzaville" or "Congo-Kinshasa", at least when I have heard in English or French in places where it was needed to be clear...

In Canada in english we often say "the Ukraine" but some Ukranian-descent people get annoyed by the "the" and insist on only "Ukraine".

I have tendency to just call Czech "C Z", it sounds pretty cool...
The "like" is for the rosbifs. Which somehow reminds me of a recent Top Gear sequence I'll have to look for.

I've just mentioned referring to the Congos by their capitals, but people don't seem to do that these days. At least not that I've heard (given that I was unaware of non-English uses of "British Isles," this may indicate I need to get out more.)

"The Ukraine" was normal until the Soviet Union broke up. "Ukraine" without "the" started then, supposedly Ukrainians (actual Ukrainians and specifically their government, as opposed to Ukrainian-Americans and Ukrainian-Canadians) thought the usage without "the" was more appropriate for an independent country. (Just like Burma at one point asked everyone to start saying "Myanmar." I still say Burma. But I'm sure official usage in the U.S. - in the State Department, in the media - is "Myanmar.") I hear Ukraine more often without the "the" these days, at least in the media, but it still sounds a little strange to me.

EDIT: Here's that Top Gear video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzo1ua9scjA
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Italian press uses Congo-Brazzaville extensively.
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