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Old February 23rd, 2014, 11:45 AM   #9801
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That border crossing at Raca/Sremska Raca posted above - is it a joint SRB/BiH border crossing?
No, there are two separate checkpoints: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=44...05167&z=16&m=b
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 11:49 AM   #9802
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That's confusing, as the aerial map shows that it's clearly possible (from BiH towards SRB) to turn left after the bridge without going through a checkpoint. Equally so, it seems possible to enter BiH without going through an exit SRB control.

Strange.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 12:01 PM   #9803
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Zoom out and check where the road heads for.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 03:06 PM   #9804
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The airport of Tijuana:



It will be the second binational airport in the world after Basel-Mulhouse.
I thoght that the airport of Gibraltar was second on the list (between Spain and UK).

Anyway, that is not an international road crossing.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 04:17 PM   #9805
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There are many binational more. Either the Geneva airport AFAIK.
The tunnel is entirely within Switzerland but... northern side just few metres away France and traffic is separated.
Gibraltar has a Spanish terminal without passport control for flights to Spain but... no flights at all.

And I think that in this thread we have talked about another examples.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 11:38 AM   #9806
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Old border post I-F in Claviere. Until 1975 the actual border run here, splitting the town of Claviere in half. In 1975 Italy and France agreed to a border adjustement and Claviere reunited under Italian sovereignty. The border post, however, remained here until 1989, when it was moved to the changed border in the western outskirts of the town.

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Old February 24th, 2014, 05:25 PM   #9807
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France just gave it to Italy? What did inhabitants of the French part say on that?
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Old February 24th, 2014, 05:47 PM   #9808
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France just gave it to Italy? What did inhabitants of the French part say on that?
Not sure about them. I think we are talking about 50 people, tops.
In 1947 some villages were ceded to France from Italy, as well.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 06:01 PM   #9809
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France just gave it to Italy? What did inhabitants of the French part say on that?
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Old February 24th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #9810
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France just gave it to Italy? What did inhabitants of the French part say on that?
Historically that area was Italian, until the Italians gave it to France in the 19th century for support against the Austrians.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 07:06 PM   #9811
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Historically that area was Italian, until the Italians gave it to France in the 19th century for support against the Austrians.
During the Italian unification as part of the annexation of the County of Nice by France?
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Old February 24th, 2014, 07:13 PM   #9812
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Old February 24th, 2014, 10:10 PM   #9813
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Zoom out and check where the road heads for.
Yes? It looks like it's possible to go from BiH to at least the village of Sremska Raca and one more village without passing through the checkpoint. Or is there also a small crossing not claerly visible?
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Old February 24th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #9814
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Historically that area was Italian, until the Italians gave it to France in the 19th century for support against the Austrians.
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During the Italian unification as part of the annexation of the County of Nice by France?
Since 1713 (Utrecht treaty) Claviere has been "Italian" (or better, Piedmontese). Western half of Claviere went to France in 1947, and got back in 1974. So it has been French for less than 30 years.

This area has nothing to do with Plombieres agreement of 1858 which ceded Nice and Savoy to France. Claviere was never included in the Duchy of Savoy.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 12:38 AM   #9815
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Old border post I-F in Claviere. Until 1975 the actual border run here, splitting the town of Claviere in half. In 1975 Italy and France agreed to a border adjustement and Claviere reunited under Italian sovereignty. The border post, however, remained here until 1989, when it was moved to the changed border in the western outskirts of the town.

http://goo.gl/maps/kVnKX
The former Franch border station is quite detached from the actual border too. On the actual border there is no trace of former border cabins so probably the Italian border plaza in the middle of the town was used until Schengen (unless they did joined border controls only on the French side).
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Old February 25th, 2014, 08:10 AM   #9816
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I read that the border post remained in the middle of the town until 1989, even though the border itself was changed in1974. Residents couldn't stand the traffic intheir town any more so they obtained that the post was moved in 1989.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 09:59 AM   #9817
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It's possible that what I posted was the post-1989 border post (no pun intended), and that the pre-1989 was dismantled.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 10:50 AM   #9818
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Yes? It looks like it's possible to go from BiH to at least the village of Sremska Raca and one more village without passing through the checkpoint. Or is there also a small crossing not claerly visible?
That's what I saw too - it looks like you have to pass through the Serbian exit control to reach Sremska Raca.

http://images3.kurir-info.rs/slika-9...5176-59564.jpg - maybe those containers next to the railway crossing are Serbian controls?

Either way, it seems a strange situation.

As for Claviere - wouldn't the most likely situation be that the old border post was in town, and the new one is on the French side? Joint controls were nothing abnormal pre-Schengen for France - and as in 1989, they would have known that the Single European Act was coming in, there would have been no point in building anything big to house customs as well as police officers.

Still the biggest curiosity in Europe is how the EU has allowed customs controls to be invisible on the Swiss and Norwegian borders.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 08:35 PM   #9819
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Aerial picture posted by forumer virrey

[img]http://i62.************/dm5itk.jpg[/img]

More or less, 1/3 left France, 2/3 right Spain. In the middle, Monte Perdido or Treserols mountain. Both Spanish and French sides are National Park and the six valleys (4 in Spain 2 in France) departing that mountain are Human Heritage
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/773



It is not a road border at all (let's thank for it, it is a quite stunning area to have a road...) but it is an old smugglers pass.

This one




In the picture it is, in the bound line, more or less in 40% bottom where there is more snow.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 12:02 AM   #9820
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There are many binational more. Either the Geneva airport AFAIK.
The tunnel is entirely within Switzerland but... northern side just few metres away France and traffic is separated.
Gibraltar has a Spanish terminal without passport control for flights to Spain but... no flights at all.

And I think that in this thread we have talked about another examples.
This is not true. In the cordoba agreement, amongst other thing Gibraltar promised to grant Spain dual use of the new airport, which would be built alongside the frontier. For their part Spain would build a terminal on the Spanish side which would join into it. Unfortunately Spain reneged on this agreement, just as it had renaged on every other agreement concerning Gibraltar.

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