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Old February 27th, 2014, 07:49 PM   #9841
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Border control in Lappland- Sweden, this is one of the coldest border crossings in EU, those valleys always come in as the coldest places in Sweden every year.

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Old February 27th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #9842
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yeah, extremely weird. Lesotho [lesutu]
It's correct. Anyway, I hardly understand what he's saying.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 09:36 AM   #9843
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Right on all counts. There are two issues at hand here, the first is the wider issues of the sovereignty of Gibraltar. Gibraltartarians would believe that it should rightfully rest with the UK, and the Spanish contributors to the group would believe it should be Spanish. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's not one thats appropriate to discuss in this thread.
Absolutely, I don't think this thread is a place to talk about that issue.

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Firstly Gibraltar. For their part they need to be performing exit checks on goods and people. (The UK does not exit check either). In fact they have been told to by the EU and if you read the Gibraltar Chronicle you will see that there has been a planning application submitted to give four inbound green channels and outbound lanes for exit checks.
I saw that, but it didn't seem to explain too well exactly how it was going to look on the exit to Gibraltar. The good news is that it seems that the commercial gate will be used for pedestrians too. But as I understand it, it's not quite 4 lanes on entry - rather it will be the existing 2 green+1 red, plus two 'side' lanes that will be used for both entry and exit checks.

The infrastructure is just so badly lacking in the inbound direction - I don't recall the Gibraltar authorities ever even asking me a question, let alone actually looking at my passport. I used my Polish ID card once to see if there was any difference in attitude - nope, still waved through.

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The Spanish have periods though where they will extensively check everything. We are talking rummaging around in ladies handbags and peoples pockets very slowly and deliberatley. Searching every single person and car very meticilously in an effort to cause queues. Searching cars in the green channel without pulling them to the side. They have triple filters. I.e three seperate Guardia Civil checkpoints all searching every car individually.
And this is exactly what I mean by the border area not being fit for purpose. Poland has shown that you can build so-called 'one-stop' checkpoints with considerable capacity - for example - http://supernowosci24.pl/wp-content/...60_470x313.jpg

If Spain wants to control the border properly, then they should build a checkpoint where people and goods can be controlled properly. This was what annoyed me most about the EU visit - they completely failed to recognise that EU law wasn't being applied properly at all.

Even another example - Spain should have an "EU" and "All Passports" line - but they make absolutely no attempt to even conduct proper immigration control there. Gibraltar not bothering is understandable - but Spain as a Schengen member should at least be doing the so-called 'minimum check' upon entry and exit. From a technical point of view, they really are doing an absolutely terrible job of controlling the border.

If they want to conduct in-depth controls, then there should be something like 8-10 lanes available - not the existing 1/2.

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Then as if by magic the queues disappear. Its very frustrating when your car is stopped and they dont even search it, just jold you for five minutes and then let you go. then the car behind you takes it's turn. Or standing for hours in a pedestrian queue in the rain and wind with children, elderly and disabled people. Its inhuman. And what's the excuse for the inbound queues when they do the same there. There isnt a great deal being smuggled out of Spain into Gibraltar
Well, they should be conducting proper exit checks too. It's an EU border, so there's no need to check the car documentation - but again, they should be at least conducting a proper check upon exit. I suspect the real reason that they don't introduce permanent exit controls is because they know that the infrastructure in La Linea will be swamped - and they (for whatever reason) won't expand the border area.

As for the pedestrian exit queues - unfortunately, if EU law was to be applied properly, this would probably be normal.

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Lets not forget that although Schengan and the customs union does apply, the EU right to free movement of EU citizens does appy.
It does, which is why the Spanish government should have been hammered for not having an adequate control area. With the amount of foot traffic through the border, they should have around 8-10 passport control booths.

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Finally a joined up properly operated border would be great. In the current political climate it will never happen.
I cannot for the life of me understand why the EU visit didn't make it crystal clear to both sides that they needed to do something about the mess of the infrastructure at the border.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 04:43 PM   #9844
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Does anybody know where the guy speaking in the video's accent is from? Is quite amusing, and difficult to follow...
Sounds Irish to me.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 05:11 PM   #9845
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Sounds Irish to me.
In another video he mentions that he is from Scotland.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 05:13 PM   #9846
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I always have trouble with those two.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 05:15 PM   #9847
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Yeah, you're not the only one with that problem...
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Old February 28th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #9848
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[GB][F] Dover-Dunkerque, DFDS.

You probably do not remember when I said that, do you?:

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If it comes to difference in crossing times there is one significant advantage of Eurotunnel - no storms. Rough sea may prolong you trip for hours. And by the way, I've never experienced ferry crossing lasting less than 1 hrs 30 not counting loading and unloading (altogether about 2 hrs 15 mins in most advantageous circumstances) Tunnel is much more reliable and usually arrives on time.
And this is what I had experienced two weeks after that statement

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Old February 28th, 2014, 10:57 PM   #9849
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Is it always such a nightmare to take the ferry?
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Old March 1st, 2014, 12:28 PM   #9850
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I've taken twice and no problem. Last time I arrived Dover and looked for the first available ferry. It was about 45 minutes later. There was one before full with another company. No delays and arriving on time.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 01:58 PM   #9851
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Old March 1st, 2014, 02:28 PM   #9852
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Yeah, you're not the only one with that problem...
It's no problem to me, but then again I'm Scottish

But I can state 100% the lad is from Scotland, most likely northen Scotland going by his accent.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 02:30 PM   #9853
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And this is what I had experienced two weeks after that statement
7:34 - instructions in English, French and Polish? I wouldn't expect that.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 03:26 PM   #9854
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Border in Maastricht (NL) at the Sint-Pietersberg +171m with Belgium.

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Old March 1st, 2014, 03:37 PM   #9855
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7:34 - instructions in English, French and Polish? I wouldn't expect that.
Probably for the crapload of truck drivers there.
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Border in Maastricht (NL) at the Sint-Pietersberg +171m with Belgium.
Dutch get altitude sickness at this point
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7:34 - instructions in English, French and Polish? I wouldn't expect that.
Poles are main customers for DFDS Dover-Calais/Dunkerque, probably because of its well calculated prices
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Old March 1st, 2014, 03:49 PM   #9858
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Nah, most people think it's halfway to the moon
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Old March 1st, 2014, 07:57 PM   #9859
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Border crossing between Italy and Slovenia, on A4 / A3 motorways, near Fernetti (map).







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It's no problem to me, but then again I'm Scottish

But I can state 100% the lad is from Scotland, most likely northen Scotland going by his accent.

I 've been to Inverness....... and Loch Ness too!
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