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Old April 16th, 2014, 06:36 AM   #10121
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I though that for Poles was almost impossible to go to West Germany and West Berlin before 1989, if it was so easy everybody could flee communist Poland.
I know people from Bulgaria who would go to East Berlin and were allowed to visit West Berlin, too, without any need for a special permit but could not go to West Germany.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 08:06 AM   #10122
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In those times I had a Yugoslav passport as well. Yugoslavs didn't need visa for almost any country
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Old April 16th, 2014, 11:25 AM   #10123
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In those times I had a Yugoslav passport as well. Yugoslavs didn't need visa for almost any country
Yugoslavs didn't need visa for East Germany unless visit lasts longer than 72 hours. I think that Soviet visa was necessary for individual visits. Yugoslav citizens also needed Greek visa (maybe because of Macedonia or Tito's support to Greek communists during the civil war?).
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Old April 16th, 2014, 11:36 AM   #10124
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Yugoslavs didn't need visa for East Germany unless visit lasts longer than 72 hours. I think that Soviet visa was necessary for individual visits. Yugoslav citizens also needed Greek visa (maybe because of Macedonia or Tito's support to Greek communists during the civil war?).
It is really strange how Greeks and Serbs loves each other, but hate Macedonians I mean Greek at least.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 12:10 PM   #10125
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It is really strange how Greeks and Serbs loves each other, but hate Macedonians I mean Greek at least.
Greeks and Serbs were allies in all Balkan wars plus WW1 and WW2.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 02:10 PM   #10126
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The issue of the flights is a curious one - I really don't have any information on them. If I was guessing, they were probably quasi-internal - no formal controls, but subject to random checks.

It's also possible that the airlines themselves were responsible for enforcing West German immigration law, just like today.
It was agreed at the Potsdam conference that aircrafts owned by the allied countries only were allowed to fly to Berlin. In 1949, Soviet Union "returned" East Berlin to DDR, thus effectively violating the agreement on their sector.

Until 1990, there were three narrow air corridors over DDR to Berlin: towards Hamburg, Hannover and Frankfurt am Main. All the aircraft were to be registered in UK, US or France, and all the crew members had to carry the passports of these countries. The air corridor was controlled by the Berlin flight control, not by DDR. The width of the corridor was 32 km, and the maximum altitude 3000 m, thus making it rather ineffective to fly jets.

If a citizen of DDR got a permission to visit West Berlin, all his or her ID cards and other personal documentation were confiscated at the border for the duration on the visit. That made it difficult to fly away, as the IDs were checked at the aiports. In addition, the whole family almost never got a permission to cross the border, but someone had to stay as "a hostage". Everyone knew the other family members would have suffered if one had escaped.

It was allowed for non-allied airlines to fly to Schönefeldt, because that airport is located outside the city limits of Berlin. Finnair opened a route Helsinki-Berlin, but traveling to West Berlin required a transit visa until 1987 when the Finnish-DDR agreement of exemption from visa came into effect. I visited Berlin once or twice at the end of 1980's, making a stop in Hamburg and taking a Pan Am flight for the Hamburg-Tegel flight.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 02:48 PM   #10127
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I know people from Bulgaria who would go to East Berlin and were allowed to visit West Berlin, too, without any need for a special permit but could not go to West Germany.
I think that once in West Berlin, it wasn't difficult to ask political asylum in the West.
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It is really strange how Greeks and Serbs loves each other, but hate Macedonians I mean Greek at least.
Greece and (Former Yugoslav Republic of) Macedionia still have problems because of the stupid naming issue.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 06:13 PM   #10128
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In those times I had a Yugoslav passport as well. Yugoslavs didn't need visa for almost any country
you are talking about eastern block. for western countries there were visas required. maybe not all, but UK and France definitely.
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It is really strange how Greeks and Serbs loves each other, but hate Macedonians I mean Greek at least.
Especially when it was Serbs that created the whole Macedonian mess. But, since they don't share a border, all is fine and dandy. The real problems are between immediate neighbors
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you are talking about eastern block. for western countries there were visas required. maybe not all, but UK and France definitely.
But Yugoslavia was a world power! The leader of the non-aligned movement!
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Old April 16th, 2014, 07:02 PM   #10131
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I think that once in West Berlin, it wasn't difficult to ask political asylum in the West.
For East Germans - yes. Thus, they were not permitted to go there.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 07:20 PM   #10132
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Greece and (Former Yugoslav Republic of) Macedionia still have problems because of the stupid naming issue.
Blame Tito for that issue. It was Vardarska before... "Macedonia".
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Old April 16th, 2014, 07:33 PM   #10133
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"Vardarska" is an adjective, not a noun, so you can only say "Vardarska banovina", meaning Vardar Banate.
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"Vardarska" is an adjective, not a noun, so you can only say "Vardarska banovina", meaning Vardar Banate.
like Dolenjska or Štajerska?
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Old April 16th, 2014, 07:39 PM   #10135
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It is really strange how Greeks and Serbs loves each other, but hate Macedonians I mean Greek at least.
Serbs don't have any problems with Macedonians, they even call them 'southern Serbs'
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"Vardarska" is an adjective, not a noun, so you can only say "Vardarska banovina", meaning Vardar Banate.
'Hrvatska' is also an adjective, so what
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'Hrvatska' is also an adjective, so what
They can be both (actually adjectives start with small letter in Slovenian), but it's "Vardarska banovina", not just "Vardarska" AFAIK.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #10138
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Are you sure? This would mean customs between West Berlin and West Germany, but afaik there were none.
Not "customs", but "immigration". Like Schengen <-> UK/Ireland: there are no customs (free movement of goods), but there are controls on the people.
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Since we're talking about Berlin:

Does anybody remember what it was like to cross to West Berlin by train? My mother did it, but she cannot recall specifics other than "horrible atmosphere caused by People's Army standing with big German Shepherds on a separate platform at [what I think is] Alexanderplatz ".

Any pics anybody? Personal, or second-hand stories?
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you are talking about eastern block. for western countries there were visas required. maybe not all, but UK and France definitely.
My father travelled around western Europe in early 1980s and he didn't need any visa, including UK and France.
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