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Old April 18th, 2014, 11:36 AM   #10161
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There was a West Berlin metro line who crossed part of East Berlin, but with no stops in it.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 11:42 AM   #10162
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Two lines indeed and with the chance of a connection between them
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Old April 18th, 2014, 11:56 AM   #10163
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Foreigners -- in this case all people who weren't citizens of West or East Germany or West-Berlin -- only could cross between West and East Berlin at Checkpoint Charlie. There have been other Checkpoints along the line dividing the city, but they were only available for Germans and Berliners of both sides. So foreigners were not be able to use the S-Bahn-Link to the so-called "Tränenpalast" (palace of tears) at Friedrichstraße S-Bahn-station in East Berlin.
According to various sources, the Friedrichstrasse station was available to foreigners. I have been there, too.

The basic rule was that the entry and the return had to be take place at the same border crossing point. However, this rule did not apply for the citizens of those counties having an agreement for visa-free travel with DDR. Therefore, I made my last entry to DDR at Friedrichstrasse and returned at Checkpoint Charlie.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 12:31 PM   #10164
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Two lines indeed and with the chance of a connection between them
No...

The N-S lines U6 and U8 run under East Berlin. The lines do not meet. U6 called at Friedrichstrasse having a connection to the western tracks of the S-Bahn. The U8 line did not stop at all in East Berlin.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #10165
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Two lines indeed and with the chance of a connection between them
Actually it was two U-Bahn (metro) lines and the Noth-South line of the S-Bahn (commuter railways) which is in tunnel as well, so altogether 3 tunnels. There was a connection between S-Bahn and U6 in Friedrichstrasse, U8 was not connected to any other line and thus did not have any calls in East Berlin.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #10166
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Border Feldkirch (A) / Ruggell (FL) - or, more precisely, "Swiss - Austrian border crossing Ruggell - Feldkirch in the Principality of Liechtenstein".
This border was unmanned despite daytime. Looking into Liechtenstein.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 12:12 AM   #10167
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Definitely after - sometime in the 80s I think. I don't know what the passports used to say at the time.
Then, I'm sorry to say, but your relative had a reason to be there. I can't comment about how strict Bulgarians were about getting such passports, but the general rule is that the European socialist countries (excluding Yugoslavia) did not issue such passports easily. It's highly unlikely that he would have got such a passport for tourism purposes alone, unless he was already retired.

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Foreigners -- in this case all people who weren't citizens of West or East Germany or West-Berlin -- only could cross between West and East Berlin at Checkpoint Charlie. There have been other Checkpoints along the line dividing the city, but they were only available for Germans and Berliners of both sides. So foreigners were not be able to use the S-Bahn-Link to the so-called "Tränenpalast" (palace of tears) at Friedrichstraße S-Bahn-station in East Berlin.
No, that isn't quite right. Both Checkpoint Charlie (properly : GuST Fredrichstrasse) and Fredrichstrasse Bahnhof were open to foreigners. This picture from the train station explains it perfectly - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:89...ichstrasse.jpg - you can see clearly that there's an entrance for "anderen staaten".

Yes, the other checkpoints weren't open for foreigners (except the one going to Schoenfeld Airport), but the Tranenpalast certainly was open to them. There are numerous accounts of foreigners being intimidated by the nature of the border crossing there, which was far more oppressive than the road crossing.

I believe that Fredrichstrasse station was also used by long distance trains, making use of the border crossing facilities there.

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So the "innerdeutsche Grenze" ("inner-German border", how it was called in West Germany back then, stressing that the speration and hence GDR was not legitimate) was a very strict border, but with very interesting implications.
Yes, West Germany even regarded the lawful borders as being those of 1937. Much of it was just legal theory rather than any claim on Polish lands, particularly as the powerful retired CDU-voting lobby would never allow West Germany to accept the loss of the lands.

In respects to the GDR, West Germany even claimed continuity with the German Reich with the name. The Federal Republic of Germany clearly meant that there was only one Germany, whereas the German Democratic Republic made absolutely no claim to what previous German states had done.

One problem I have with the FRG on a personal level is that they still use the Basic Law - when the intention all along was that a reunited Germany should have held an all-German referendum on a new Constitution. I understand why the East Germans feel cheated, as their country was effectively annexed by the Federal Republic in exchange for money.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 12:21 AM   #10168
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While it is true that they kept Basic Law, I kind of feel better than the DDR ceased to exist and the soverignty over the land was taken de facto by the BRD... it seems like every facet of that regime was corrupt, criminal, bad in every way... (okay we can accept... Spreewald pickles but anything else?) Maybe a new constitution would be more politically favorable at the end, but would take lot of time and end up with... probably 99% of the Grundgesetz anyway...
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Old April 19th, 2014, 02:22 PM   #10169
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While it is true that they kept Basic Law, I kind of feel better than the DDR ceased to exist and the soverignty over the land was taken de facto by the BRD... it seems like every facet of that regime was corrupt, criminal, bad in every way... (okay we can accept... Spreewald pickles but anything else?) Maybe a new constitution would be more politically favorable at the end, but would take lot of time and end up with... probably 99% of the Grundgesetz anyway...
But don't forget that the GDR from March 1990 onwards was democratically elected. I don't think it's any secret that Kohl and the CDU more or less flooded the GDR with cash in order to secure rapid unification.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 07:47 PM   #10170
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That's correct, but BRD was basically bribing GDR with cash from the beginning for various reasons. But that "exchange Ostmark for DM at par", that was just crazy
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Old April 20th, 2014, 04:46 PM   #10171
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Snapped som photos of border stations on a road trip earlier this month.

Albania to Kosovo on the road between Kukës and Prizren. This is the station on the Kosovo side.



Bosnia-Herzegovina to Montenegro on the road between Trebinje and Herceg Novi. This is obviously the station on the Montenegro side.

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Old April 21st, 2014, 09:04 PM   #10172
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While it is true that they kept Basic Law, I kind of feel better than the DDR ceased to exist and the soverignty over the land was taken de facto by the BRD... it seems like every facet of that regime was corrupt, criminal, bad in every way... (okay we can accept... Spreewald pickles but anything else?) Maybe a new constitution would be more politically favorable at the end, but would take lot of time and end up with... probably 99% of the Grundgesetz anyway...
Those Germans are weird, they think that it's still a taboo to talk about the nazi past, still consider the reading of Maine Kampf a criminal offence and forbid you to have HH or NS on your car plate because it may reminds something. Every pair of letter has hundreds of possible meanings, hasn't it?
On the other hand, they openly accept the Ostalgie and in Berlin you easily see souvenirs with the hammer and sickle. Ok, Hitler killed dozens of millions people in the whole continent, the DDR regime probably few thousands. But those events are quite recent and many people who suffered those horrors are still alive. I've read few stuff about the Stasi and the DDR just as curiosity and they did terrible things, like people spyied by their relatives, political prisoners tortured and killed in prison, people used for medical experiments, people contaminated with radioactive material to track them, people shooted because they tried to escape... I don't see why this dark period could be seen in a "romantic" way like in the movie Goodbye Lenin.
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Old April 21st, 2014, 09:17 PM   #10173
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true. the murdered people wouldnt give a damn if nazism or communism killed them. both "ideas" were horrible. however, i sometimes have a feeling too, that one idea is considered less horrible. anyway, sorry for being offtopic here.

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a criminal offence and forbid you to have HH.
HH stands for Hansa Hamburg, and is well used in Germany. My father had such plates when we lived in Hamburg.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 12:19 AM   #10174
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HH stands for Hansa Hamburg, and is well used in Germany. My father had such plates when we lived in Hamburg.
Actually it's Hansestadt Hamburg, but basically you're right, lots of cars have HH in their license plate.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 12:39 AM   #10175
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I believe that Fredrichstrasse station was also used by long distance trains, making use of the border crossing facilities there.
True.

My home library contains the international timetables of Deutsche Reichsbahn from the summer 1979. I scanned one page here (sorry about the size, it would be not readable if I shrunk it further):



The text shows that the passport and customs control took place at Berlin-Friedrichstrasse. In addition, it states that travelling between Berlin-Ostbahnhof and Berlin-Friedrichstrasse was only allowed to those making a transit trip through DDR.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 12:54 AM   #10176
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Drávaszabolcs (H) -> Donji Miholjac/Alsó Miholjác (HR) crossing
April 2014

1. Approaching the border on Main Road 58


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4. With Croatia in the EU, no customs controls, but since this is a Schengen external borde, your ID is checked by both H and HR police.


5. Bridge over Dráva river, actual border is at the middle of it


6. Approaching Croatian booths ...


7. ... and we're in!
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Old April 24th, 2014, 12:17 PM   #10177
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There was a West Berlin metro line who crossed part of East Berlin, but with no stops in it.
I knew a Pole who lived in East Berlin for some time. This wasn't so usual (West Berlin - yes, East - why?), so I asked him about it.

Turns out DDR didn't employ ANY local eastern Germans for the maintenance of their single only metro line. I guess there must have been technical tunnels/connections between lines 5 (the line in East Berlin), and the passing West Berlin line 2 you mention, so it was apparently already too risky to let the DDR folks anywhere near it, in fear of them "voting with feet".
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Old April 26th, 2014, 05:58 AM   #10178
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Interesting video about the "the longest deforested straight line in the world" that marks the border between Canada and the US.

'Don't Touch Me,' Said Canada. 'I Won't!' Said The U.S.A. So They Moved 20 Feet Apart

http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/20...rt?ft=1&f=1001
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Old April 26th, 2014, 06:25 AM   #10179
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^ CGPGrey has a lot of good videos
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Old April 26th, 2014, 11:37 AM   #10180
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Crossing from Italy into San Marino...


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