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Old May 7th, 2014, 04:43 PM   #10341
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Old May 7th, 2014, 05:07 PM   #10342
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Seriously, I was just surprised, that's all, because I had never heard of any non-Communist country doing that. But there are other ways of preventing baddies from leaving than stopping everyone, surely.
Yes, it's a bit odd. And as I said, the border police in general is the same opinion as you and me The controls are normally very relaxed and most times they just wave you through - with an bored expression in the face...
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Old May 7th, 2014, 06:08 PM   #10343
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I don't know of any country in Europe outside of Schengen area which doesn't control people leaving the country. That's a common thing. But most times the checks are rather let's say relaxed.
The UK doesn't have exit checks (most of the time), and I guess Ireland doesn't, but I've only exited Ireland once to somewhere not in the Common Travel Area
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Old May 7th, 2014, 06:26 PM   #10344
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UK have been doing a lot of exit checks at the Port of Dover lately. And at the Port of Holyhead it's common practice. The French do exit checks at the ports of Calais and Dunkerque all the time.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #10345
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Where was it? In the Spanish covered customs?
Yes, right there!

I had left Andorra-la-Vella very early!

That day, I did a very circuitous day-long drive: http://goo.gl/maps/LHL12
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Old May 7th, 2014, 07:28 PM   #10346
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Yes, right there!

I had left Andorra-la-Vella very early!

That day, I did a very circuitous day-long drive: http://goo.gl/maps/LHL12
Wow... a quite long mountain passes circuit over the Pyrenees.

Normal checks are... almost always.
Exhaustive checks are barely done but they exists.

They are really do not worried on passports but on goods. Sometimes they can have a spy who says that a car is carrying goods and they will check several ones, or they just have enough time.


Due to taxes, importing goods from Andorra is quite controlled.

They apply some rules such as:
- If you are moving from Andorra to Spain you can move all furniture and goods of your home providing several situations but someone from the embassy have to accept which things are duty free to entry in Spain
- If a person living in Andorra is invited to a wedding in Spain and wanna make a present, it will be duty free too but he must declare several things

They are just two laws, there are many, many ones more...
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Old May 7th, 2014, 07:32 PM   #10347
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I am not sure, but I think in the Andorran-French border controls are much weaker...
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Old May 7th, 2014, 07:43 PM   #10348
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No, they are random ones and they are not always made on the customs but on the road. If you have crossed the customs and haven't declared anything... you can be stopped anywhere.

But, let's remember there is more traffic through Spain because it is "valley down". Going to France means several tunnels
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Old May 7th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #10349
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I don't know of any country in Europe outside of Schengen area which doesn't control people leaving the country. That's a common thing. But most times the checks are rather let's say relaxed.
Ireland is a European country outside Schengen that does not do exit checks! The only identity checks are done on arrival.

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UK have been doing a lot of exit checks at the Port of Dover lately. And at the Port of Holyhead it's common practice. The French do exit checks at the ports of Calais and Dunkerque all the time.
The French do exit checks everywhere with border control don't they?

And I have been stopped at Holyhead, but they didn't ask for ID, the lady wanted to see inside my boot.

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Old May 10th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #10351
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Border crossing between Spain and France in the binational borough of Els Límits/Le Perthus. Part of the road through the village is binational: the carriageway and the left sidewalk are in France, whilst the right one is in Spain. There are both Spanish and France parking meters in the town and signs clearly stating that they are only valid in one country.

There's also a pink elephant coming out of a wall

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Old May 10th, 2014, 12:20 AM   #10352
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How were things going on here before Schengen?
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Old May 10th, 2014, 09:29 AM   #10353
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Small crossing on the Sweden / Norway border, I would say it's a typical border situation where somewhat inhabited areas are close to the border in Norway while on the Swedish side it's usually an hour or two of nothing.

Actual crossing towards the end of the video.
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Old May 10th, 2014, 10:02 AM   #10354
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How were things going on here before Schengen?
No buildings after customs. They are pretty close to real border.

By the way, why all the video is with titles in English except Crown of Aragon?
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Old May 10th, 2014, 07:07 PM   #10355
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You mean that street didn't exist before?
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Old May 10th, 2014, 07:32 PM   #10356
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I thought Els Limits (the Spanish part of the international town) was started to be urbanised in the 1960's after the burying of the stream which was set as border between Spain and France in the second half of the 19th century (còrrec de la Comtessa in Catalan, arroyo de la Condesa in Spanish, ruisseau de la Comtesse in French; calle del Correc on the map).

Le Perthus (the French part of the international town) isn't either a really old town, and it was founded mostly based on the customs officers built along the road at the end of the 19th century and beginnings of the 20th century.



Actually, the oldest part of the international town was the road, and the, along the road firstly the western part started to be built as a French town, and later, in 1960's in the Eastern part as a Spanish town, but as the communication was based on the road, actually the Spanish town was on the other side of the French customs. The point is that the border was traced along the stream, and the road was traced paralel to that stream, so actuall the road was the border giving access as well to the Spanish part even if it was on the French side.

Actually, as seen on the video there is a road (or street) built later to avoid the French customs to get direct access to Els Limits from the Spanish territory (it is the current Carrer Dr. Subiros)

The oldest structure in the town is actually the Bellegarde Fort.
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Another interesting landmark on the area is the original roman road and the pass used in the Antiquity. The original road and pass used was not the current N-II and D-900 in Le Perthus and Els Límits, but it was extremely close, on the other side of the Bellegarde fort.

The original border was in the Panissars pass. Romans marked the limit between Gaul and Hispania, and the link between de Via Domitia (coming from the Alps through Southeastern Gaul) and the Via Augusta (which reached Cádiz in Southern Hispania). As usual, the Romans, to celebrate the victories in Hispania, built a monument in the Summum Pyrenaeum, the Pompey's Trophies (and in French)

In the Middle Ages the place was occupied by a church, and furthermore its stones were reused for other constructions.

During the Middle Ages, firstly the Catalan Counties, later the Crown of Aragon and finally Spain from the 15th century dominated both sides of the mountains in this area, and approximately the current Pyrénées-Orientales department was part of Spain. After the Treaty of the Pyrenees in the 17th century Spain and France modified the borders in this area, and the argument used by France for moving the Spanish-French border to the Pyrenees was actually (well, it was the historical and rational reason, for sure there was the stronger military one, xD) was the original border established by the Romans between Gaul and Hispania.

So, it can be considered the first stage of this international border.

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Old May 11th, 2014, 12:18 AM   #10358
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Thanks for the information. I'll try to visit Panissars ruins, I hope I have the time one day.

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No buildings after customs. They are pretty close to real border.

By the way, why all the video is with titles in English except Crown of Aragon?
I didn't know there was an exonym. Thanks for pointing it out.
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With Scotland looking more and more likely to be Europe's newest independent state, it's so nice seeing all the pictures of border crossings around the world. The British are coming out with all manner of ridiculous statements about armed guards and electric fences on the Scottish border with England, so it's good to show them what it's actually like in the real world!
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With Scotland looking more and more likely to be Europe's newest independent state, it's so nice seeing all the pictures of border crossings around the world. The British are coming out with all manner of ridiculous statements about armed guards and electric fences on the Scottish border with England, so it's good to show them what it's actually like in the real world!
It will probably be like the Republic of Ireland-Northern Ireland border that's almost unnoticeable except for the speed limit and county signs.

In case of independence, will Scotland become a kingdom, a republic or a British Commonwealth member nation?
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