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Old May 19th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #10381
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Not really. "British" is just a way to describe the citizenship of the United Kingdom, nothing more. In terms of nationality, there's no such thing. You'll notice that it's usually immigrants that identify closest with the concept of being British.
As do 56 million indigenous British people.

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Old May 19th, 2014, 10:30 PM   #10382
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And the EU, UN, Nato....
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Old May 19th, 2014, 11:04 PM   #10383
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And the EU, UN, Nato....
I have been always wondering, why is national level so overrated.
Let me see:
First I am Earthling, then inhabitant of Northern Hemisphere, then Europe, then European Union, then Central Europe (as the remnants of Austro-Hungarian culture), then Slovakia, then Western Slovakia, then Bratislava region, then Bratislava, then Old town, then... etc.etc. member of my family.

Why the hell is the "national" level such important or mentioned?
Doing so, the only true level we could be proud of is the level of our family or rather ourselves, because we can influence it.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 11:58 PM   #10384
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For that matter, what is the College of Arms?
The College of Arms is the body in charge of heraldry in all of the UK, except Scotland (the Lord Lyon deals with that there), and dates from 1484. It is the one which issues coats of arms etc and deals with UK symbolism. And it said that as the queen will be queen of Scotland still, the flag can stay the same. Anyone who disagrees can take that up with the Court of Chivalry I suppose.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 09:38 AM   #10385
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The College of Arms is the body in charge of heraldry in all of the UK, except Scotland (the Lord Lyon deals with that there), and dates from 1484. It is the one which issues coats of arms etc and deals with UK symbolism. And it said that as the queen will be queen of Scotland still, the flag can stay the same. Anyone who disagrees can take that up with the Court of Chivalry I suppose.
What if the Scots want another monarch or don't want the queen of England as head of state?
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Old May 20th, 2014, 11:00 AM   #10386
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As do 56 million indigenous British people.

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Except many of them are now identifying much more with the constituent country.

There are many parallels in Europe - Catalonians identify with Catalonia, not Spain. Many Montenegrins identified themselves as such, not as Yugoslavian during the times of FR Yugoslavia, and so on and so on. You wouldn't go telling a Serb or a Croat that they are "Bosnia and Hercegovinian", would you?
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Old May 20th, 2014, 11:17 AM   #10387
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What about border crossings? Please take that "yes to Scotland" mumbo jumbo to the appropriate thread in the UK Skybar.

(that particular thread is a bit of a shithole, and it takes so little in this thread to set the mood)
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Old May 20th, 2014, 01:24 PM   #10388
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I have been always wondering, why is national level so overrated.
Let me see:
First I am Earthling, then inhabitant of Northern Hemisphere, then Europe, then European Union, then Central Europe (as the remnants of Austro-Hungarian culture), then Slovakia, then Western Slovakia, then Bratislava region, then Bratislava, then Old town, then... etc.etc. member of my family.

Why the hell is the "national" level such important or mentioned?
Doing so, the only true level we could be proud of is the level of our family or rather ourselves, because we can influence it.
Because what primarily defines us is our passport and our mother tongue.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 01:39 PM   #10389
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Because what primarily defines us is our passport and our mother tongue.
Yeah, but... that is all? What about the European culture on one hand or local on other hand?
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Old May 20th, 2014, 01:52 PM   #10390
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Yeah, but... that is all? What about the European culture on one hand or local on other hand?
It seems that European culture comes second if not third...
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Old May 20th, 2014, 02:12 PM   #10391
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Yeah, but... that is all? What about the European culture on one hand or local on other hand?
Within a country local culture is often very important. On a European level the national identity is important, on a global level it's either the European identity or the national identity depending on the person. I identify more as Swedish than European, but I know people that lean the other way.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 02:29 PM   #10392
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Except many of them are now identifying much more with the constituent country.

There are many parallels in Europe - Catalonians identify with Catalonia, not Spain. Many Montenegrins identified themselves as such, not as Yugoslavian during the times of FR Yugoslavia, and so on and so on. You wouldn't go telling a Serb or a Croat that they are "Bosnia and Hercegovinian", would you?
We're British, get over it.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #10393
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You wouldn't go telling a Serb or a Croat that they are "Bosnia and Hercegovinian", would you?
"Bosnia and Hercegovinian" no, it sounds silly, but many people consider themselves Bosnians (or Herzegovinians).
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Old May 20th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #10394
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"Bosnia and Hercegovinian" no, it sounds silly, but many people consider themselves Bosnians (or Herzegovinians).
I've heard, that Bosnian is a person living in Bosnia and Herzegovina, who does not care about the nationality, but proclaims himself/herself as Muslim.
Easily taken - Bosnians are whoever Croats or Serbs with Muslim belief. And they made a "nationality" from religion.

But someone living closer should relate.
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Old May 20th, 2014, 07:59 PM   #10395
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Absolutely not .


Bosnian (Bosanac) is a person that comes from the region of Bosnia (same way Herzegovinian or Hercegovac is a person that lives in Herzegovina, which is a region that includes even some parts of Montenegro, etc). Muslim population of Western Balkan that live in B&H, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Kosovo and partialy in Turkey and who speak Bosnian language are called Bosniaks (Bošnjaci).

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I identify more as Swedish than European, but I know people that lean the other way.
Really? They must be a minority...
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Old May 21st, 2014, 11:11 AM   #10397
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The border crossing between Croatia and Hungary at Goričan-Letenye. The old border crossing is quite large but appears to sit empty since the motorway border crossing opened.



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Old May 21st, 2014, 11:16 AM   #10398
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Absolutely not .


Bosnian (Bosanac) is a person that comes from the region of Bosnia (same way Herzegovinian or Hercegovac is a person that lives in Herzegovina, which is a region that includes even some parts of Montenegro, etc). Muslim population of Western Balkan that live in B&H, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Kosovo and partialy in Turkey and who speak Bosnian language are called Bosniaks (Bošnjaci).
Sorry, I've mixed up Bosnians and Bosniaks.
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"Bosnia and Hercegovinian" no, it sounds silly, but many people consider themselves Bosnians (or Herzegovinians).
Of course, but it just goes to show that people in Europe do refer to themselves using their nationality rather than citizenship.

Chris, isn't the old crossing at Letenye used by trucks? As far as I'm aware, the motorway crossing is only for cars. I haven't been there, but I seem to recall that they didn't bother to build any of the infrastructure for trucks at the motorway crossing.
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Old May 21st, 2014, 12:42 PM   #10400
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Because what primarily defines us is our passport and our mother tongue.
What if you are a member of an ethnic minority group?
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