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Old June 29th, 2014, 12:56 AM   #10681
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Well here if you borrow a car from someone else you also must take the registration. Without it you can have problems, but if you have the registration card on you then it's OK if you get stopped by traffic police. Keeping the registration card in car is considered very reckless.

Of course at some point you will report it but by that time your car is either disassembled or they've made a fake registration.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 09:23 AM   #10682
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Not a good idea if the car gets stolen.
It depends on how the system works.

The registration certificate in Finland comes in two parts. The part 1 is a techical one, displays the technical data of the vehicle, and it is a proof of passing the periodic inspection. The part 2 is the proof of ownership. The part 1 must be kept in the vehichle while driving. It is absolutely safe to store it in the glove box and about everyone does that. The part 2 should be kept in a safe place at home.

The part 1 needs to be touched at the periodic inspection, and if a policeman asks for it. No inconvenience involved.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 09:38 AM   #10683
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It depends on how the system works.

The registration certificate in Finland comes in two parts. The part 1 is a techical one, displays the technical data of the vehicle, and it is a proof of passing the periodic inspection. The part 2 is the proof of ownership. The part 1 must be kept in the vehichle while driving. It is absolutely safe to store it in the glove box and about everyone does that. The part 2 should be kept in a safe place at home.

The part 1 needs to be touched at the periodic inspection, and if a policeman asks for it. No inconvenience involved.
The same here, although three systems are valid at the same time. Oldest cars have registration card you have too keep with you. Newer cars have the registration document, which is very unpleasant to keep (but it is a must) and the newest cars have the same system as you, but since it has size of a credit car, i keep it in my vallet in the same plastic cover as my driving licence.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 12:01 PM   #10684
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Old June 29th, 2014, 01:31 PM   #10685
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I liked the EU format with the country flag better than the EU format with the EU stars.

I've never liked the blue band. I think it would've been much better to keep the background colour (white or yellow), with the country code and the 12 stars in black -and maybe a thin vertical black line between the country code and the rest of the plate.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 02:04 PM   #10686
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Does anyone know how strict the controls were between EEC countries before 1993? I know the Benelux had open borders, but for instance, what about Germany-France?
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Old June 29th, 2014, 02:05 PM   #10687
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It depends on how the system works.

The registration certificate in Finland comes in two parts. The part 1 is a techical one, displays the technical data of the vehicle, and it is a proof of passing the periodic inspection. The part 2 is the proof of ownership. The part 1 must be kept in the vehichle while driving. It is absolutely safe to store it in the glove box and about everyone does that. The part 2 should be kept in a safe place at home.

The part 1 needs to be touched at the periodic inspection, and if a policeman asks for it. No inconvenience involved.
Yeah, the part 1 in Serbia is a windshield sticker.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 02:31 PM   #10688
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Keeping the registration card in car is considered very reckless.
Depends on the system. Germans came up with a clever idea of having two copies of the document, one to show to the cops (keep it in the car), and the other is the actual title, which you obviously keep at home.

So a car stolen with the traditional small document isn't worth much to the thieve.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 02:36 PM   #10689
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Does anyone know how strict the controls were between EEC countries before 1993? I know the Benelux had open borders, but for instance, what about Germany-France?
Germany<->France and Germany<->Austria were checked randomly, like go-go-go-check, every third or fifth car. Also depended on the day, and the time of the day.

All in all it was too risky to smuggle anything big like 10 times the allowed number of cigarettes or amount of alcohol, but I've met people who had no passport dare to go across the border this way (and get caught, and NOT get expelled).

Also my mother as a teenager "smuggled" coffee from Belgium to France, as a part of her ammends. "Girl, you don't go through the crossing, but turn left before, go along the river, there's a small bridge, you'll be in that town" -> obviously this was neither unusual for the locals, nor dangerous.

So I guess you could compare it to US-Canada border before Bush.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 02:39 PM   #10690
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Old June 29th, 2014, 02:44 PM   #10691
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It wasn't closed, but you couldn't enter Albania just like that, let alone by car. You had to call a taxi cab to pick you up at the border and take you where you wanted to go. At least that's what I read in a book written by a Yugoslav journalist. Unfortunately my mom lent it to someone and never got it back.
I think it was possible at least for Western tourists to enter Albania, since I read that ferries run regularily between Trieste and Durres since 1983.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 03:03 PM   #10692
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I think it was possible at least for Western tourists to enter Albania, since I read that ferries run regularily between Trieste and Durres since 1983.
I've read it was well possible to enter as tourist or for business, but full beards were not allowed at entry (since the Hoxha regime declared Albania the first atheist state in the world in the 1960's, and beards were considered "Muslim").
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Old June 29th, 2014, 03:58 PM   #10693
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Does anyone know how strict the controls were between EEC countries before 1993? I know the Benelux had open borders, but for instance, what about Germany-France?
My parents were stopped for one hour check. Thet were waiting weird's plate cars and just looking for food as officers said...


The most strange thing is it was a goods control to quit Germany, nothing to enter in France
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Old June 29th, 2014, 05:00 PM   #10694
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Macedonia-Serbia border crossing at Tabanovce/Preševo


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Old June 29th, 2014, 05:02 PM   #10695
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Serbia-Romania border crossing at Vatin/Moraviţa


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Old June 29th, 2014, 06:12 PM   #10696
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Germany<->France and Germany<->Austria were checked randomly, like go-go-go-check, every third or fifth car. Also depended on the day, and the time of the day.
Wow, I'm surprised that Germany-Austria was so light - especially as Austria wasn't in the EEC. Germany-France is more understandable, and I think the original idea for Schengen was probably more about formalising the existing arrangement than anything else.

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Also my mother as a teenager "smuggled" coffee from Belgium to France, as a part of her ammends. "Girl, you don't go through the crossing, but turn left before, go along the river, there's a small bridge, you'll be in that town" -> obviously this was neither unusual for the locals, nor dangerous.
I think that was pretty commonplace among "free" countries of Europe in general. Even these days, it seems that no-one is particularly bothered by illegal border crossings by locals in the Balkans for instance.

^ what's going on with that fence between Romania and Serbia?
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Old June 29th, 2014, 06:13 PM   #10697
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Sign on the left: "Kompas (tourist agency) offers complete services for exit out of Yugoslavia".
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Old June 29th, 2014, 06:20 PM   #10698
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what are orange Dacias doing at both sides of border?
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Old June 29th, 2014, 06:39 PM   #10699
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Old June 29th, 2014, 07:16 PM   #10700
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Sign on the left: "Kompas (tourist agency) offers complete services for exit out of Yugoslavia".
I recognise that name... isn't it the name of the company at the Sentilj border crossing, at the petrol station/restaurant just after the border crossing?

I'm guessing the "services offered" had something to do with the compulsory 'deposit' that Yugoslavians had to make when leaving the country in the 80's?
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