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Old July 13th, 2014, 06:47 PM   #10841
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I always had two ID checks when I flew to a non-Schengen-country, e.g. Germany-USA, Germany-Romania, Germany-Canada, Austria-Romania.
There are also ID checks Germany-Italy (not always).
I'm not clear what you mean: an ID check by the country you're leaving and another by the one you're entering? At the same crossing?
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Old July 13th, 2014, 06:50 PM   #10842
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Yes, if you can't prove your identity to the satisfaction of the person asking. There's not really such a concept as "plausible cause" in Schengen, as border controls can be carried out anywhere at any time.
He may mean "probable cause." In U.S. law, the police can't detain you without "probable cause to believe" you committed a crime or something, and even with probable cause, they can't detain you for very long without letting you see a lawyer and so on....

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The lack of exit checks has always been an odd one, especially now with the over-the-top paranoia of the UK border security.
A lack of exit checks isn't odd at all. It's the exit checks that I find odd (although when I said so on this thread a few weeks ago people yelled at me. :-) )
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Old July 13th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #10843
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Was the answer "I am hoping they issue the speeding ticket to my real name, Prawo Jazdy"? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/n...nd/7899171.stm
There was a story of a Russian citizen that moved to Italy and had legal troubles caused she appeared to be born in a non-existent Russian region.
Why? Her Russian passport said Башкортостан (Baškortostan in Latin script) and the Italian immigration officer wrote down Bawkoptoctah.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old July 13th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #10844
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I'm not clear what you mean: an ID check by the country you're leaving and another by the one you're entering? At the same crossing?
Yes, Germany <-> Romania, Austria <-> Romania, Germany --> USA and Germany --> Canada. Italy --> Germany has only exit checks, Germany --> Italy none.
I'm not sure about USA --> Germany and USA --> Canada. Kanadzie created doubt...

All trips happened since November 2012.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #10845
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Coming or going to from the UK there is passport control both ways in Germany. Germans are very keen to check if you have any outstanding fines open. Same with the Dutch. The British are not bothered. Checks are being carried out by an agency that has nothing to do with the police.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 07:58 PM   #10846
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Yes, Germany <-> Romania, Austria <-> Romania, Germany --> USA and Germany --> Canada. Italy --> Germany has only exit checks, Germany --> Italy none.
I'm not sure about USA --> Germany and USA --> Canada. Kanadzie created doubt...

All trips happened since November 2012.
I always wanted to ask how come you went to Romania? Was it work related? Always to the same place? Did you only fly or also drive there?
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Old July 13th, 2014, 08:48 PM   #10847
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I took it to the Roadside Rest Area before the lot gets deleted again...
A short-term solution. ;-)
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Old July 13th, 2014, 08:49 PM   #10848
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Old July 14th, 2014, 12:08 AM   #10849
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There was a story of a Russian citizen that moved to Italy and had legal troubles caused she appeared to be born in a non-existent Russian region.
Why? Her Russian passport said Башкортостан (Baškortostan in Latin script) and the Italian immigration officer wrote down Bawkoptoctah.
At first glance I thought that non-existent Russian region was Crimea, which, as everyone except the dus Russians know, is in Ukraine. And please be nice and stop here, I'm just pointing that out.
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Old July 14th, 2014, 12:47 PM   #10850
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In Finland though the driver's license is also the ID for all purposes (proving your identity to police, voting, withdrawing cash from bank account and so on) - so many people who drive a car and don't travel abroad actually don't have any other kind of ID at all. It actually came as a surprise that in many EU countries it is not so.
Same in Sweden. Those without a driving licence often have a passport that they use instead as it's not very expensive to get one and it works anywhere in the world as oppossed to getting a national ID card like those common in the EU, which were only implemented here recently.

Also, for Nordic citizens travelling within the Nordic countries there is no need for a passport (overall more generous rules than Schengen), and thus most people will just use their driver's licence like at home when going abroad by car in the neighbouring countries.
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Old July 14th, 2014, 12:53 PM   #10851
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Nordic countries are Schengen countries. Not any different to the rest of us...
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Old July 14th, 2014, 12:58 PM   #10852
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Nordic countries are Schengen countries. Not any different to the rest of us...
But they are. See Wikipedia about the Nordic Passport Union.

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"[...] there are some provisions in the Nordic Passport Union that give extra rights for Nordic citizens, not covered by Schengen, such as less paperwork if moving to a different Nordic country, and fewer requirements for naturalization of citizenship. Within the Nordic area, any Nordic ID card (e.g. a driving license) is valid for Nordic citizens because of the Nordic Passport Union, while a national ID card or a passport is required in other Schengen countries. Most Scandinavian people do not own any Schengen approved national ID card, so they need a passport when visiting Schengen countries outside the Nordic area.
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Old July 14th, 2014, 01:09 PM   #10853
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Did you know that when an EU citizen moves to the UK, there's no paperwork whatsoever. You don't even have to register residency, hence the fact that it has never been established how many people actually live per city. All you need is to apply for your National Insurance Number. And there are even ways around that by registering for a job with a temporary number, which is basically your date of birth.
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Old July 14th, 2014, 05:23 PM   #10854
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Did you know that when an EU citizen moves to the UK, there's no paperwork whatsoever. You don't even have to register residency, hence the fact that it has never been established how many people actually live per city. All you need is to apply for your National Insurance Number. And there are even ways around that by registering for a job with a temporary number, which is basically your date of birth.
Which is entirely the UK's fault for not putting into place a viable system. There were EEA certificates available, but the last time I checked, people had to wait for over a year to simply have proof of their right of residency.

https://www.gov.uk/eea-registration-certificate

It's a complete joke in every sense of the word. I'm not surprised the UK has such terrible problems with identity theft.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 04:08 AM   #10855
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Why there was no control for exiting UK, while there is one for exiting Germany? Same thing happened to me in 2009 while leaving USA (no control on exiting the country).
Basically, the airlines suppose to provide list of passengers who boarded the flight to the authorities.
Everyone boarding a flight has to show ID.
In the past when you flew from the US they also collected a little piece of paper which they stapled to your passport while you were entering the country. Nowadays it is all done digitally based on the passenger list. At least in the US.
Basically, the airports border crossings are completely different from the land crossings as it is relatively easy to track everyone, you only need a piece of software.

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Basically, the UK doesn't have systematic exit checks. There are sometimes checks (especially at Dover and Heathrow), but it's not routine. They were supposed to introduce exit passport checks, but I think the issue of not having separate domestic/international airside lounges has put a stop to that idea.

The lack of exit checks has always been an odd one, especially now with the over-the-top paranoia of the UK border security.
As far as I know UK is trying to introduce system similar to the US one so the airlines, Eurostar and ferry operators will have to provide lists of passengers to the border force. I don't think it is fully operational yet.
Last time I was checking they were just introducing it for some flights outside the EU (I think initially to the Middle East) .
It was about 18 months ago when I was applying for my British citizenship. I had to provide a list of all my travels in the previous 5 years and as I didn't remember all of them I filled an official request to get details of all my travels from the Home Office.
Obviously they claimed not to have a single file on me, despite me travelling back and forth across the UK border, not only to Europe but also to the US.
So back then system didn't work but it might now.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:15 PM   #10856
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https://www.google.it/maps/place/600...00f81c823ff350

I noticed that between the two checkpoints there's a gravel road in Slovenian territory that go to the salinas. So one has to pass the Slovenian checkpoint to go there?
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Old July 16th, 2014, 03:34 PM   #10857
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Which is entirely the UK's fault for not putting into place a viable system.
The beginnings of the system were there but the first act of parliament passed by the coalition in 2010 got rid of it. The National Identity Register would eventually have had everyone on it, more or less, as they got a passport, ID card, identification card for EU citizens, or resident permit for 3rd country nationals. Although, having been on it myself after getting the ID card in 2010 I would say it was extremely intrusive. I think they should not have abolished either cards or register but toned it down a bit.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 05:00 PM   #10858
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https://www.google.it/maps/place/600...00f81c823ff350

I noticed that between the two checkpoints there's a gravel road in Slovenian territory that go to the salinas. So one has to pass the Slovenian checkpoint to go there?
Yes, indeed. The usual entry to the salt pans is here though.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 05:20 PM   #10859
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Nasib Border Crossing

The Nasib Border Crossing between Jordan and Syria. It is the main border crossing between the two countries.

Interesting, traffic on the Syrian side of the border crossing switches sides. If you drive south towards Jordan, you exit the road on the right, then go under the main road, and the Syrian border station is on the left (east) side. After passing through customs, traffic again crosses under the main road and enters the Jordan border station from the right again.

This is to separate the passenger car and truck border crossing facilities.

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