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Old July 17th, 2014, 03:54 AM   #10861
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Talking of ID, security checks and the question "where is" (although not actually of borders):

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/07/1...ncid=webmail17

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Old July 17th, 2014, 09:14 PM   #10862
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Talking of ID, security checks and the question "where is" (although not actually of borders):

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/07/1...ncid=webmail17

Sigh.

Fantastic, it made me laugh.

But seriously, I wonder how often similar situations happen in Europe.
Technically there are less countries in Schengen zone than states in the US but on the other hand we have all this "damn foreign" languages.
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Old July 18th, 2014, 01:18 PM   #10863
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Should I point out that wanting borders to desappear does not make me an "uniformity fetishist"? I mean, it's our ability to understand each other and talk to each other (and yes I know we could do it better) despite the huge differences between us what makes Europe great.
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Old July 18th, 2014, 02:17 PM   #10864
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No need.

That's for people who, well, never mind.



PS: The quote's from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(S...)#Assimilation
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Old July 18th, 2014, 03:46 PM   #10865
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Warning to all, there is a 3 hour queue at the Batrovci crossing inbound http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Drustvo/481...a-oko-tri-sata If you are travelling from Croatia to Serbia I suggest going over Šid.
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Old July 18th, 2014, 03:51 PM   #10866
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Those are all Turkish people going back home from Germany,Austria and Switzerland
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Old July 18th, 2014, 07:56 PM   #10867
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Many kurds, syrians, iraqis and even afghans use the same route...but the overhelming majority is turkish of course....
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Old July 18th, 2014, 08:07 PM   #10868
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Does anyone actually go from WE all the way to Afghanistan with a car?
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Old July 18th, 2014, 10:28 PM   #10869
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I have been also surprised..some students here in Germany told me that and I couldn't believe it... Last year I saw some guys with a german license plate trying to cross the bosp. bridge in Istanbul (they did not had a TollCard so I gave them mine, I knew they need help cause I saw there license plate)...Kurds and Arabs are very common on this route since a few years
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Old July 18th, 2014, 10:33 PM   #10870
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Does anyone actually go from WE all the way to Afghanistan with a car?
That seems unlikely. Although it's not a major problem to travel into Iran, there is a major security problem in eastern Iran. They travel with armed convoys due to banditism. I don't think people actually drive all the way to Afghanistan from western Europe, but a lot sure do drive to Turkey from Germany or the Netherlands.

Driving to Turkey takes some time, but is not particularly challenging, especially if you speak Turkish. Turkey has a decent road infrastructure, nearly all cities can be accessed via divided highways. Most maps only show the otoyol, but Turkey has over 10,000 kilometers of divided highways, some are near or at motorway standards.
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Old July 18th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #10871
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Turkey has a big number of roads which are close up to motorway standards.
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Old July 18th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #10872
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That seems unlikely. Although it's not a major problem to travel into Iran, there is a major security problem in eastern Iran. They travel with armed convoys due to banditism. I don't think people actually drive all the way to Afghanistan from western Europe, but a lot sure do drive to Turkey from Germany or the Netherlands.

Driving to Turkey takes some time, but is not particularly challenging, especially if you speak Turkish
. Turkey has a decent road infrastructure, nearly all cities can be accessed via divided highways. Most maps only show the otoyol, but Turkey has over 10,000 kilometers of divided highways, some are near or at motorway standards.
What?
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Old July 18th, 2014, 11:37 PM   #10873
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It's always easier to drive in a country where you speak the language, especially if the local population and/or police speaks no English, or when signs are only in local language (not to mention in a different script).
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Old July 19th, 2014, 02:13 AM   #10874
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chris do you think albanian road sign are easy to understand when they are written in albanian and not in english...
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Old July 19th, 2014, 02:24 AM   #10875
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It's always easier to drive in a country where you speak the language, especially if the local population and/or police speaks no English, or when signs are only in local language (not to mention in a different script).
Well, you said driving TO Turkey, which indicates everything that comes before it.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 03:40 AM   #10876
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Warning to all, there is a 3 hour queue at the Batrovci crossing inbound http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Drustvo/481...a-oko-tri-sata If you are travelling from Croatia to Serbia I suggest going over Šid.
Thanks for this up-to-date information, we're all on our way to Serbia, especially Americans, Africans and Australians.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 03:04 PM   #10877
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Driving to Turkey takes some time, but is not particularly challenging, especially if you speak Turkish. Turkey has a decent road infrastructure, nearly all cities can be accessed via divided highways.
I have read more than once from tourists that after entering Turkey from Bulgarian roads, they got a feeling of relief, sort of "finally, it's Europe again." OK, that's Western Turkey where development is different from Anatolia.
When I experienced Turkish roads (only on bus so far), traffic was OK, most frightening were gasoline prices (over 2 euros / litre) ... but let's not get off-topic
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Old July 19th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #10878
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Thanks for this up-to-date information, we're all on our way to Serbia, especially Americans, Africans and Australians.
And where exactly are Australians headed with a car internationally?
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Old July 19th, 2014, 04:08 PM   #10879
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but a lot sure do drive to Turkey from Germany or the Netherlands.
Yes that is not an issue. Every year this border crossing jams are caused exactly by Turkish gastarbeiters travelling for holidays to Turkey. There is an incredible number of them, you'll find some motels and restaurants along the highway in Serbia putting on Turkish flags, having menus in Turkish, offering Turkish newspapers etc.

And this is not a new thing, ever since the migration began in 1960s it's been the case. Back in the day they used to travel in convoys with police in the front and back because due to fatigue there were many car crashes. Now of course no one cares about such things, but I doubt drivers are any less tired (most of them do non-stop routes).

However I've never heard of people going to Afghanistan or even Iran.
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Old July 19th, 2014, 04:15 PM   #10880
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I see Iran plates occasionally in continental Europe. Even the odd Australian one actually...
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