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Old July 22nd, 2014, 09:49 AM   #10901
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The route my dad was driving was a little bit differend. a friend who was a truck driver gave him his map of hungary and we drived mostly the int.transit route novi sad-subotica-kelebija/tompa crossing-kiskunhalas-kiskörös-solt-dunaföldvar-dunaujvaros-szekeszfehervar-györ-mosonmagyarovar-hegyeshalom/nickelsdorf crossing-bruck-wien-linz-(hartkirchen-danube river)-passau-regensburg-nürnberg-würzburg-frankfurt-köln.some times the route over wels-graz-maribor and that was the much more beautiful one
in the 80s a motorway existed only from cologne to passau,then there was a gap till linz,then again a motorway till wien and then the last almost 500km NO MOTORWAYS!
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Old July 29th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #10902
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One odd border crossing during my hikes in Val Pusteria/Pustertal. This is Passo di Gola/Klammjoch, between Austria and Italy. The road is closed to motorized vehicles, but it is guarded with a lifting gate and fences (Italy lower-left, Austria upper-right). You can zoom in (not much) accessing the google+ page here:

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Old July 30th, 2014, 09:34 AM   #10903
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Aren't both of the countries members of the Shengen Area?
And aren't fixed border check forbidden in that treaty?
Why is this border control station not demolished yet?
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Old July 30th, 2014, 09:54 AM   #10904
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Maybe they're not border controls, but for environmental reason?
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Old July 30th, 2014, 11:39 AM   #10905
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Perhaps the controls are used against the italian cannabis smokers, was in a Juventus game the other year and it seemed like everyone smoked weed. :/
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Old July 30th, 2014, 12:02 PM   #10906
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There's a detachment unit of Guardia di Finanza just few hundred meters on the left of the picture (near a beautiful alpine lake), so I think it's against smugglers. Funny thing is that road is closed to normal traffic on both sides...
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Old July 30th, 2014, 09:06 PM   #10907
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no, it is not ok.

i think this sign is from A2 near Wiener Neustadt (at least, there is similar sign)

It wouldn't be snakes I would be worried about wandering on grass in The Balkans.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 12:35 AM   #10908
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Since when is Wiener Neustadt in the Balkans?
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Old July 31st, 2014, 12:57 AM   #10909
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no, it is not ok.

i think this sign is from A2 near Wiener Neustadt (at least, there is similar sign)

I am just curios, what species is that related to? Because, I live few kilometres from Wiener Neustadt and have never known about the life endangering snakes in this area (except those which ran away from ZOO :-D).
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Old July 31st, 2014, 12:58 AM   #10910
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Since when is Wiener Neustadt in the Balkans?
Some sources consider even Slovenia and Hungary as a part of Balkans. But I've never heard about Austria as part of it
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Old July 31st, 2014, 05:49 AM   #10911
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Everything behind Salzburg is the Balkans!
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Old July 31st, 2014, 09:20 AM   #10912
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Some sources consider even Slovenia and Hungary as a part of Balkans. But I've never heard about Austria as part of it
Sometimes I like to give advice to tourists. I got used to them talking about "taking a trip to communist Eastern Europe" which usually means a weekend in an expensive hotel in Prague, Budapest or a day trip (from Vienna) to Bratislava. But sometimes they even mention Vienna as an EE city.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 11:46 AM   #10913
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Staatskanzler Metternich, der bis 1848 amtierte, wird der Satz Der Balkan beginnt am Rennweg zugeschrieben. Auch der Name Ungargasse verweist darauf, dass hier die damaligen Fernverkehrsstraßen von Wien nach Ungarn und auf den Balkan ihren Ausgang nahmen.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landstr...en)#Geschichte
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Old July 31st, 2014, 04:46 PM   #10914
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Since when is Wiener Neustadt in the Balkans?
Everything what is southern from Danube is on Balkan.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 06:46 PM   #10915
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Sometimes I like to give advice to tourists. I got used to them talking about "taking a trip to communist Eastern Europe" which usually means a weekend in an expensive hotel in Prague, Budapest or a day trip (from Vienna) to Bratislava. But sometimes they even mention Vienna as an EE city.
Vienna is more eastern than Prague.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 07:12 PM   #10916
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I am just curios, what species is that related to? Because, I live few kilometres from Wiener Neustadt and have never known about the life endangering snakes in this area (except those which ran away from ZOO :-D).
me and Eulanthe haver already discussed it at previous page
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Vienna is more eastern than Prague.
so is more at east than Ljubljana or Zagreb
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Old July 31st, 2014, 08:28 PM   #10917
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Politically neutral definition of Balkan:

Draw a line from the northernmost bay of the Adriatic Sea to the northernmost bay of the part of the Black Sea that is west of Krim; Balkan is the area that is limited by this line in the north and by sea in all other directions.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 09:25 PM   #10918
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Politically neutral definition of Balkan:

Draw a line from the northernmost bay of the Adriatic Sea to the northernmost bay of the part of the Black Sea that is west of Krim; Balkan is the area that is limited by this line in the north and by sea in all other directions.
Yes, but geographically, or rather geologically it is not that easy. The peninsula was developed in different periods different than other continental Europe. There is also Panonia Basin which has parts northbound and southbound of your line. And what about Carpathian Mountains? Western parts are comprised near Vienna, whether Southern parts are located in Romania.

But your line is perhaps of the best.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 11:19 PM   #10919
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Vienna is more eastern than Prague.
I know but its kind of a weird choice if they want to tell their friends back home the "horrors" they encountered when they visited a "communist country".

Another story: A few years ago I had a French guest. One day he visited Szeged and posted the following facebook check-in text: "I am near the Serbian border and I'm still alive".
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Old July 31st, 2014, 11:58 PM   #10920
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last academic year, I was chosen as a thesis opponent for a bachelor degree student, who wrote about tourism in Bratislava. It was very interesting topic (I gave him B because of serious formal mistakes, but according to the effort and content, he deserved A and he finally got it), he had decided to do a questionnaire among foreign visitors in hotels before check in (referred as "pre-experience") and after check out (as post-experience) to find out, what feelings visitors left Bratislava with.

He get very interesting findings. Despite Bratislava offer sights related to 17. - 19. century, almost all foreign visitors had missed sights related to communism. Vast majority had come here to feel the cold socialists atmosphere and had been disappointed in that issue. So they had wanted at least to see some communists landmarks. My city has some, but they are completely omitted in tourist guides, like we are ashamed for that.

What I'm trying to say. I really don't like communist regime but think the "ashamed feeling" is not a significant only in Bratislava, but in all former commie countries. I think communism is responsible of current development gap between former West and East but it definitely does not employ all the potential it has. Poland has some museums related to death camps. It is not meant to be proud of, but it was part of Poland's history. The same should go for socialism. There is nothing wrong on offering it as a part of history. I think Western tourist want to know more about that. They should have a chance to be given immediate information in situ and compare it with current situation.

I remember my first visit of Yugoslavia in 2002. I asked myself what a horrible country it was. It was after medial massage and my experienced was based only on watching the country through bus window. Some years later I realized how nice and studious people live there. I realized that despite the newspaper, there live people like us. And that is the way how to make World to be united ;-)
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