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Old August 4th, 2014, 03:32 PM   #10961
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Old August 4th, 2014, 03:56 PM   #10962
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Actually, customs controls between Serbia and Montenegro started in 1999 when Montenegro introduced German Mark as a currency instead of Yugoslav dinar. From 1992 to 1999 there wasn't any border control between two republics. In 2001 Montenegro founded their central bank and banned dinar, in 2002 Euro replaced German Mark. Same was continued after 2003 when FR Yugoslavia was replaced by State union of Serbia and Montenegro, a country with two central banks, two currencies and two customs services. This loose union was finnaly dissolved in 2006.
What was the response of public? Nonetheless, Yugoslavia (1996) was still stronger state than loose union of Serbian and Montenegro.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 04:20 PM   #10963
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What was the response of public? Nonetheless, Yugoslavia (1996) was still stronger state than loose union of Serbian and Montenegro.
After NATO bombing in 1999 Montenegro tended to have more pro-Western policy than official Belgrade had at that time (don't forget that Milošević still in power). That resulted a creation of loose union with only army, foreign minister and sport teams in common. Public opinion in Serbia reacted negative and many decided to go to vacation in Greece instead.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 04:22 PM   #10964
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This pictures were made on 30th July when i was going back home from my trip to Greece.
On firts one there is a Tabanovce border crossing in Macedonia.
On second one there is a Presevo border crossing in Serbia .
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Old August 4th, 2014, 04:31 PM   #10965
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After NATO bombing in 1999 Montenegro tended to have more pro-Western policy than official Belgrade had at that time (don't forget that Milošević still in power). That resulted a creation of loose union with only army, foreign minister and sport teams in common. Public opinion in Serbia reacted negative and many decided to go to vacation in Greece instead.
Thank you for the first-hand explanation. I am very interested in that issue (as well as former Yugoslavia).
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Old August 4th, 2014, 05:28 PM   #10966
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Actually, customs controls between Serbia and Montenegro started in 1999 when Montenegro introduced German Mark as a currency instead of Yugoslav dinar. From 1992 to 1999 there wasn't any border control between two republics. In 2001 Montenegro founded their central bank and banned dinar, in 2002 Euro replaced German Mark. Same was continued after 2003 when FR Yugoslavia was replaced by State union of Serbia and Montenegro, a country with two central banks, two currencies and two customs services. This loose union was finnaly dissolved in 2006.
I've often wondered why the EU doesn't formalise the use of the Euro by Kosovo and Montenegro - the current situation of simply pretending that it doesn't happen is rather silly.

Incidentally, one annoying thing about the borders round here is the absolute lack of places to exchange money.

Anyway, on Wednesday, Neum is calling - we'll see if anything interesting happens there. I can't find the map of Croatian border crossings that I had, so does anyone know - are there any other international border crossings near Neum that I can visit?
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Old August 4th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #10967
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Poland - Germany schengen border bridge Not in use since 1945.

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Old August 4th, 2014, 05:52 PM   #10968
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I've often wondered why the EU doesn't formalise the use of the Euro by Kosovo and Montenegro - the current situation of simply pretending that it doesn't happen is rather silly.

Incidentally, one annoying thing about the borders round here is the absolute lack of places to exchange money.

Anyway, on Wednesday, Neum is calling - we'll see if anything interesting happens there. I can't find the map of Croatian border crossings that I had, so does anyone know - are there any other international border crossings near Neum that I can visit?
There is a international border crossing "Klek" and international border crossing "Zaton Doli "
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Old August 4th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #10969
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You can check out the border crossing Čepikuće/Trebimlja. I crossed there in May...
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Old August 4th, 2014, 07:43 PM   #10970
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You can check out the border crossing Čepikuće/Trebimlja. I crossed there in May...
That'll do nicely, thank you!

I'm going to see if I can convince them to let me cross at Gabela Polje in Metkovic too, seeing as Croatia has idiotically decided to restrict it to locals only. Who on earth would restrict a border crossing in a town to only locals while the international border crossing is in the middle of nowhere?
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Old August 4th, 2014, 09:34 PM   #10971
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Today was also a complete disaster - Ivanica was overloaded, and while the Bosnians were waving people through, the Croatian control was completely overwhelmed with BiH cars.

I know there's nothing they can do with the HR/MNE crossings, but they really need to sort out Ivanica. Waiting nearly an hour to enter the EU is ridiculous, especially as EU passport holders.
I have once read (and there is a newsitem on youtube somewhere) about the reopening of the road between Dubravka (Konavle, Croatia) and Jablan Do on the road Trebinje-Herceg Novi. That crossing hasn't still be opened yet.

Edit: found it: the border nowadays is to be seen on 1:04
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Old August 4th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #10972
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Is the border crossing at Vitaljina opened only for Croats and Montenegrins or for all?
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Old August 5th, 2014, 12:33 AM   #10973
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I have once read (and there is a newsitem on youtube somewhere) about the reopening of the road between Dubravka (Konavle, Croatia) and Jablan Do on the road Trebinje-Herceg Novi. That crossing hasn't still be opened yet.

Edit: found it: the border nowadays is to be seen on 1:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xnQX6s3LQM
Could make some sense, but I don't think the Trebinje-Herceg Novi road has that much capacity on the Montenegrin side to deal with the overspill from the two HR/MNE crossings.

The problem is that there's not much point in building extra capacity on the MNE/HR border for a few weekends a year. The only solution I can think of is to build a large car park on the HR side, then pre-clear travellers at that point during the weekends in cooperation with the MNE controls.

Pascal, yes, the Vitaljina crossing is an international border crossing. It's rather odd that it is, but I think there's some diplomatic reasons for it being an international rather than local border crossing point.

As for Neum, you have nothing much to worry about. The controls are a breeze - all accounts are that neither Croatia or Bosnia are interested in conducting full controls there. I'll report back on Wednesday with more information
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Then i should avoid this border section?
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Old August 5th, 2014, 07:55 AM   #10975
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I wonder, how is a border crossing developed. Let's imagine Latvia - Russia border crossing. First, there was a independence declaration. Then what? Some tanks and barriers? Then first mobile booths?
Maljevac crossing between HR and BiH in 1995 (looking from BiH to HR)


Nowadays, a new big crossing exists next to this small road. Part of this road is on Street View.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #10976
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I wonder - was that UN post an actual border crossing, or was it merely a guard post? There are some remains of those UN barriers near Zeljava, too. I don't know for certain, but it seems that the UN was controlling the borders between the RSK and the various parastates at the time.

Pascal, no need to avoid Neum. It's not really a proper border crossing - if you're an obvious tourist, you'll be waved through.
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Maljevac crossing between HR and BiH in 1995 (looking from BiH to HR)


Nowadays, a new big crossing exists next to this small road. Part of this road is on Street View.
More photos like that please
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Old August 6th, 2014, 07:09 PM   #10978
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This should be Brčko, BIH in 1994, looking to Croatia.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 07:35 PM   #10979
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Today's roadtrip was to Metkovic, and a small report from there -

The main Metkovic crossing (Doljani or something?) is a disaster - over an hour wait to exit Croatia and enter BiH. I parked up to have a look, and the main problem seems to be caused by over-zealous entry controls to both countries. It doesn't help that BiH appears to be entering every non-HR/BiH registered car into a computer for some reason.

I tried crossing at Gabela Polje and the other one nearby next to the Neretva, and they absolutely refused to even let me cross on foot. I even asked them in Gabela Polje if I could just go to the shop - no can do.

Interestingly, along the border in Gabela, there's a street called Marka Marulica. The whole street only has one barrier next to a hairdresser - http://prafulla.net/?attachment_id=482553 - this one. The rest of the street has numerous streets leading into BiH, and none of them are controlled in any way. From hanging around there, it seems that the EU border is wide open at that point. I'm not sure if it's actually possible to go anywhere on the BiH side, though.

What's also interesting is that Croatia hasn't made any effort to mark the border in Gabela Polje, so you could easily accidentally stray into Bosnia by mistake.

Neum is ridiculous as ever - passed through Klek and Zaton Doli twice, BiH police were nowhere to be seen, and Croatian police looked bored senseless. Documents weren't checked once.
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This should be Brčko, BIH in 1994, looking to Croatia.
Today the border station is on a small piece of tarmac between the Sava bridge and the intersection with the main boulevard in Brčko.

I crossed this border from BIH to HR long time ago in 2001.
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