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Old August 8th, 2014, 03:41 AM   #11001
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Old August 8th, 2014, 04:02 AM   #11002
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I somehow think it's a bad idea to discuss Yugoslav politics on here. I've seen it happen on other threads and it usually ends up in fights and bans. Best move back to border crossings or simply just go away to the Skybars.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 04:31 AM   #11003
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Well, the RS government regarded it as one. If you delve further into it, the RS declared independence in April 92, and was de facto independent until the implementation of the Dayton Agreement.
Yeah, de facto, but country in the "international sense" (and consequently as international border) can't be de facto, only de jure -> witness Transdnistria or Western Sahara or Donetsk Democratische Republik

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I somehow think it's a bad idea to discuss Yugoslav politics on here. I've seen it happen on other threads and it usually ends up in fights and bans. Best move back to border crossings or simply just go away to the Skybars.
It's so amazing, how many damn things came out of that mess. Like it goes on and on and on, like the Greeks complaining about Macedonia being called Macedonia, but Greeks don't call themselves anything to do with word "macedonia" anymore, and it sounds like something you do to food in your mouth anyway. If you think Western European head has problem wrapping around this imagine Amerikanerkopf try to understand it... only would explode
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Old August 8th, 2014, 10:06 AM   #11004
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Yeah, de facto, but country in the "international sense" (and consequently as international border) can't be de facto, only de jure
I absolutely disagree.
Aside for short term, only virtually existing nations like current Donetsk, for me an independent nation/country is something that works like an independent nation/country regardless it is recognized by some international organizations or not.
So, if you ask me, there is no border crossing inside Jerusalem (although the internationally recognized border line goes across that city) but there is one in Nicosia although the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has never been recognized by anyone but Turkey. Kosovo is an independent country although several governments did no recognized it.
Governments and international organizations may have several (predominantly political) reasons for regognizing or not recognizing a state, recognizing or not recognizing an annexion (e.g. Crimea to Russia not so long time ago) but in my opinion hat is working like an independent state, has its own working structures, police, documents, etc., is an independent state. Similarily, what is working like a border, is a border.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 11:31 AM   #11005
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I somehow think it's a bad idea to discuss Yugoslav politics on here. I've seen it happen on other threads and it usually ends up in fights and bans. Best move back to border crossings or simply just go away to the Skybars.
I am sorry to bring that topic up, but Yugoslavia and its breakup is a great example of border crossings and the ways they've been erected.

I'm still hoping ex-Yugoslav nations (mostly young generations) understand what is going on and are used to get along. Sometimes, these stupid flamewars really disappoint me.

Yugoslavia and its successor republics are beautiful and people there are so kind and hospitable. Don't know where such hatred origins.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 11:34 AM   #11006
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Old August 8th, 2014, 12:02 PM   #11007
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Kosovo is an independent country although several governments did no recognized it.
Yes, Serbia even has police and customs on the so-called "administrative boundary line", even though they don't recognise Kosovo as an independent state.

To add to the story of the Novo Sarajevo "border crossing", it seems that the Bosnian Army also controlled access to the bridge and conducted identity checks there. I'm led to believe from several news sources that the Bosnian authorities were very reluctant to let men of working age cross the 'border'. If exit permits were required as well as entry permits, as well as controls of baggage and identity on both sides.

Maybe those on the ground could help us find out if there were any other 'border crossings' operated by Republika Srbska with the Republic of Bosnia-Hercegovina?

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Old August 8th, 2014, 05:13 PM   #11008
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Border crossing between the Republic of Ireland and the UK on N1/A1:



(actual border comes at 1:51).

This must be one of the most unnoticeable borders in the world. In Schengen border crossings, you usually see the huge sign with the speed limits along with the blue one with the country. Here you only see the laconic "speed limits in miles per hour" sign, and if it wasn't for the change of color in road markings, you wouldn't realize you just crossed the border. This road was built after the suppression of border controls between both countries so there are no customs building or any other facility.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #11009
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They removed all the flags then. Last time I crossed that border, the place was littered with Union Jacks and political statements on the NI side.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 07:31 PM   #11010
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Surely there weren't Union Flags and pro-Unionist statements on the A1/N1 border?!
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Old August 8th, 2014, 07:37 PM   #11011
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There was until a few years ago...
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Old August 8th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #11012
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Yugoslavia and its successor republics are beautiful and people there are so kind and hospitable. Don't know where such hatred origins.
The people have a very backwards mentality. More backwards than the rest of the Balkans, for sure. It will take a long time to overcome that.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 01:45 AM   #11013
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Surely there weren't Union Flags and pro-Unionist statements on the A1/N1 border?!
I was there on early July and saw nothing.

Nothing telling me I was in the UK, except for the quality of the road, of course
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Old August 9th, 2014, 02:56 AM   #11014
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There was until a few years ago...
It seems rather unlikely, given that South Armagh is (still) a Republican stronghold. But there were such things in Newry, so maybe that's where you saw them? It's not far after the border.

(one of my specialist areas of knowledge is the Irish border)

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The people have a very backwards mentality. More backwards than the rest of the Balkans, for sure. It will take a long time to overcome that.
I wouldn't say that. It's rather characterised by the media behaving incredibly irresponsibly. HTV (Croatian TV, former Radio-Television Zagreb) and RTS (Serbian TV, former Radio-Television Belgrade) were both manipulated to hell by the respective political leadership, and RTV Sarajevo wasn't entirely innocent.

The real problem in the Balkans is the immediate assumption that someone is taking sides. I don't have any 'side' or 'agenda' when it come to ex-Yu affairs apart from as an interested amateur historian, and the borders of Yugoslavia are a research interest of mine. But you can see above that I was immediately assumed to have a pro-RS agenda because I quoted the facts on the ground.

To go back to borders, I notice that the RS signs saying "Welcome to the Republic of Srpska" are in a state of disrepair these days. Does anyone know if the RS is actually prohibited from controlling the entity borders, or have they simply chosen not to?
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Old August 9th, 2014, 03:38 AM   #11015
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Old August 9th, 2014, 10:34 AM   #11016
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A friend of mine posted this on Facebook few days ago. Picture taken at Romania-Serbia border crossing at Moravita/Vrsac.

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Old August 9th, 2014, 01:05 PM   #11017
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Hungarian interstate border crossing Tiszasziget, yesterday morning:



It is opened 7-19h, for EU and Serbian passport holders. Very good alternative for Horgoš/Roszke.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #11018
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Is it a joint control, or two separate border stations?
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Is it a joint control, or two separate border stations?
There are two separate stations. Unfortunately, I haven't took a photo of a Serbian side (Đala), so here's a photo from the web:

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Old August 9th, 2014, 03:22 PM   #11020
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Hungarian interstate border crossing Tiszasziget, yesterday morning:

It is opened 7-19h, for EU and Serbian passport holders. Very good alternative for Horgoš/Roszke.
I assume also for EEA-CH passport holders, right?
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