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Old August 9th, 2014, 03:31 PM   #11021
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A friend of mine posted this on Facebook few days ago. Picture taken at Romania-Serbia border crossing at Moravita/Vrsac.

International transport like in the good ol' days with horse and carriage?
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Old August 9th, 2014, 03:40 PM   #11022
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I assume also for EEA-CH passport holders, right?
You are right. EU-EEA-CH always go together at EU member crossings, I forget to write that.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 04:15 PM   #11023
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International transport like in the good ol' days with horse and carriage?
Once I posted a video about a horse cart on a motorway in Romania and it was deleted.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 04:16 PM   #11024
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Old August 9th, 2014, 04:20 PM   #11025
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The discussion moved towards ethnic minorities in Romania, you know what I mean...
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“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old August 9th, 2014, 04:22 PM   #11026
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Yep. Contraband.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 05:36 PM   #11027
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Hungarian interstate border crossing Tiszasziget,

Very good alternative for Horgoš/Roszke.
I think much better is Assothalom/Backi Vinogradi if someone goes toward Novi Sad or Beograd and does not want to stand 5h in queue with the Turks.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 06:55 PM   #11028
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You are right. EU-EEA-CH always go together at EU member crossings, I forget to write that.
And a little known fact is that Andorra, San Marino, Monaco and (I think...) the Vatican City also go through there.

Having said that, I saw some unbelievable stupidity at Neum the other day. I was coming into Croatia towards Dubrovnik, and there was about 15-20 cars in front of me. The "All Passports" lane was empty, except for one Russian car, while all the other cars (mostly HR) were queued up in the EU/EEA/CH line.

Of course, I took the All Passports line and was through within 30 seconds. The girl in the booth was waving people over, but they all completely ignored her. Fools
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Old August 9th, 2014, 06:56 PM   #11029
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And a little known fact is that Andorra, San Marino, Monaco and (I think...) the Vatican City also go through there.
And British Crown Dependencies and Faer Oer islands?
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Old August 9th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #11030
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Well... Jersey does. I was there last month.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 07:23 PM   #11031
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And British Crown Dependencies and Faer Oer islands?
As far as I know, anyone with citizenship of the EU/EEA/CH/microstates is entitled to use the lines. The Crown Dependencies (and others) still have British passports, so they're fine there.

I think the same applies with (for instance) Greenlandic passports - they're still Danish nationals. But then - a quick look on Wikipedia says that although they're Danish nationals, they (along with the Faroese) aren't to be considered Danish nationals for the purposes of the European Union. I have no idea - I'll ask Europa Direct and see what they say.

The confusing part comes when you realise that many British passport holders have no right to actually reside in the UK/elsewhere in the EU.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #11032
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What EEA means ?
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European Economic Area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
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What EEA means ?
Here is the best explanation

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Technically this is not a border crossing, but since I did cross the border here I hope you won't mind me posting some pictures.

1. View from the peak of Wielka Rawka (1307 m above sea level). The peak is located in Poland, ~230m from the PL-UA border. Looking south-east:


2. Looking south-west and I can see the mountain where the tripoint is located:


3. So let's follow the trail to that mountain. It hugs the PL-UA border, going on the Polish side but it actually enters Ukraine for few meters in one place.


4. The Polish landmark number 5, counting from the tripoint.


5. Ukrainian one


6. And this is the tripoint landmark. Krzemieniec/Kremenec/Кременець, 1221 m above sea level.

7. I wonder how did they put it here, by helicopter?

8. Look, I entered Ukraine without a passport!

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Old August 9th, 2014, 10:28 PM   #11036
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9. No, the landmark on the right is not Russian (thank God)


10. It's Slovak


11. And its Ukrainian counterpart. The smaller grey pole between them marks the actual border.


12. For some reason PL-UA and SK-UA borders are marked with these big double poles, and the PL-SK border is marked only with such small, single ones (S for Slovensko):


13. And P for Polska
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I think, but maybe I'm wrong - but those PL/SK markers are the old PL/CS markers too. It seems that Czechoslovakia agreed with Poland and Germany to just use those small stone ones instead of anything bigger.

Speaking of the PL/UA border there, I've always thought that it was absolutely absurd that there are no pedestrian border crossings in Bieszczady with UA. I know the Wolosate crossing is opened very occasionally, but at the very least, couldn't they open it during summer? Of course, smuggling is a problem - but just agree that anyone caught smuggling will be banned from Schengen until the end of summer and everyone will be happy.

I don't think the tripoint was an international border crossing with PL/SK, was it?
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Old August 10th, 2014, 10:06 AM   #11038
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To be brief: EU plus "almost EU".

The "almost EU" is Norway, Iceland and Liechstenstein. The follow most of the EU legislation, but are not members to EU for certain political reasons.

Switzerland is "almost ETA". Is not a member to ETA but it has signed bilateral ETA-like agreements with most EU and ETA countries.

The diagram in the Wikipedia article tells a lot...
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Old August 10th, 2014, 12:09 PM   #11039
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I tried to click on that diagram, but it took me to Belgium...
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Old August 10th, 2014, 12:21 PM   #11040
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Greece - F.Y.R.O.Macedonia border: 2524 meters above sea level.

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