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Old August 17th, 2014, 09:01 PM   #11081
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Huge queues on exit from Serbia to Croatia and Hungary at Batrovci and Horgos - 4-5 hours. And the worst part is that the alternative crossings have been discovered by Turkish gastarbeiters so there is a 3 hour wait at Backi Vinogradi for an example. In comments section people report waiting 8-9 hours yesterday.

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I was in Vienna today. The queues on the entrance of the city were gross. If most of the people drove from Turkey, I can imagine how did Horgos look like.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 09:40 PM   #11082
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Yes many do, Wizz Air flies to cities where they live in Germany and Scandinavia. Also those that don't often travel on buses. Also they tend to travel more spread out throughout the year. Also there simply aren't millions of Serian gastarbeiters out there.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #11083
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I was in Vienna today. The queues on the entrance of the city were gross. If most of the people drove from Turkey, I can imagine how did Horgos look like.
4 hours of waiting .
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Old August 17th, 2014, 11:54 PM   #11084
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Also near the slovenian border near krapina yesterday
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Old August 18th, 2014, 12:25 AM   #11085
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Huge queues on exit from Serbia to Croatia and Hungary at Batrovci and Horgos - 4-5 hours. And the worst part is that the alternative crossings have been discovered by Turkish gastarbeiters so there is a 3 hour wait at Backi Vinogradi for an example. In comments section people report waiting 8-9 hours yesterday.
It's a complete disaster in/around the Balkans this past week, it seems.

I was listening to Croatian Radio throughout my time there, and queues of over 2 hours were somewhat routine on the HR-non EU borders. Apparently Karasovici has been seeing queues of up to 6 hours - which is frankly ridiculous.

Macelj was closed at one point to new cars, with all traffic diverted off at Krapina towards different border crossings. There was a 9km queue towards Slovenia at one border crossing on a Wednesday, and even the Neum border crossings saw heavy traffic when entering Croatia.

As it stands, probably the only sane way to leave Serbia at these times is to go to Novi Sad, then cross the border into Croatia at Ilok. From Ilok, you can go on the D2 to Osijek, then D7 to Hungary and onto the Hungarian M6.

But why do the Turkish all go home/return to Germany at the same time?
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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:08 AM   #11086
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But why do the Turkish all go home/return to Germany at the same time?
They move in mysterious ways.

Btw before someone complained how Bosnia-Croatia border crossings are just for Croatian or Bosnian citizens. I think this is the case just because no one contested it yet but it would only take one complaint to the European Commission to make them at least open for other EU citizens. I am saying this because all those smaller crossings with Hungary that used to be just for Serbian and Hungarian citizens had to be transformed and are now for Serbian, Hungarian and EU citizens. Obviously Serbia didn't have to accept it probably but then those crossings would have had to be closed as they wouldn't be actually open for EU citizens.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:21 AM   #11087
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Those crossings someone complained about were not open for BiH and Croatian citizens but local residents ONLY
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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:46 AM   #11088
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Those crossings someone complained about were not open for BiH and Croatian citizens but local residents ONLY
In theory, but I have good reason to believe that both Croatia and BiH are allowing anyone through with a passport from one of those countries. I've seen cars with D, A and other plates passing through with no consequence - but they all had passports (not local border passes).

I'm in the process of making a formal complaint about these border crossings - it is absolutely unfair that I have to stand in a 2 hour queue while other EU citizens can cross the border freely.

Quite honestly, I can't see any good reason for these to be restricted to locals only. The crossing in Gabela Polje for instance (near Metkovic) - they have all the facilities needed, and there's no excuse to not at least allow pedestrian traffic to cross freely.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 09:42 AM   #11089
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In theory, but I have good reason to believe that both Croatia and BiH are allowing anyone through with a passport from one of those countries. I've seen cars with D, A and other plates passing through with no consequence - but they all had passports (not local border passes).

I'm in the process of making a formal complaint about these border crossings - it is absolutely unfair that I have to stand in a 2 hour queue while other EU citizens can cross the border freely.

Quite honestly, I can't see any good reason for these to be restricted to locals only. The crossing in Gabela Polje for instance (near Metkovic) - they have all the facilities needed, and there's no excuse to not at least allow pedestrian traffic to cross freely.
probably locals, who work in D, A.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 10:04 AM   #11090
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Old August 18th, 2014, 10:58 AM   #11091
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Can you park the car on the borderline just for the hell of it? LOL.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 02:56 PM   #11092
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Vermont/Quebec border crossing
I'm heading that way next Saturday. I think the 2nd photo is old as I believe there is now a fence there preventing access between the 2 countries.

I imagine most people cross at the interstate/autoroute crossing...is it just locals at the other 2.

The road (Canusa Avenue) is actually all in Canada with the border about 5 m or so in the front yard of the homes on the south side (US).

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probably locals, who work in D, A.
Then they are not local residents.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 03:11 PM   #11094
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Then they are not local residents.
Off course they are, they have IDs from there.
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Off course they are, they have IDs from there.
That is illegal, you can't reside in two places.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 03:19 PM   #11096
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That is illegal, you can't reside in two places.
It is not illegal, you can reside in two places. You have in Germany (Zweitwohnsitz) and in Austria (Nebenwohnsitz).
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I'm heading that way next Saturday. I think the 2nd photo is old as I believe there is now a fence there preventing access between the 2 countries.

I imagine most people cross at the interstate/autoroute crossing...is it just locals at the other 2.

The road (Canusa Avenue) is actually all in Canada with the border about 5 m or so in the front yard of the homes on the south side (US).

Great photos.
Is it Derby Line, where there's that famous library?
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It is not illegal, you can reside in two places.
No it is illegal, you can't permanently reside in two places and temporary residence is usually limited to 1 year. The whole idea of residence would be pointless if that was possible not to mention it doesn't make sense as you can't physically be at two places at the same time.
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