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Old August 18th, 2014, 11:55 PM   #11121
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Judging by the sweet lemon tone and knowing it from some other situations I sense it's already known that Croatia won't make it in 2016 for some other reasons other than the stalling of Bulgaria and Romania. But yes I can't see Croatia joining before the two even if there were no other issues and that is unfair IMO. Actually stalling Bulgaria and Romania might even be illegal. If those countries didn't want them in the EU they shouldn't have ratified the accession treaty. Now it's just pathetic behavior, they are in the EU and that's it, not allowing them into Schengen might bring populist politicians a few votes but it won't make a difference.
The problem with Schengen is being an outer border with Turkey and also bordering Greece which will provide an uninterrupted passage for illegals. Nothing to do with "not wanting" anyone in the EU. It's also used as a tool to combat corruption in those countries (not that Croatia is any better in that respect).

I think that Schengen is not necessary at the time nor it provides any significant benefit.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 11:58 PM   #11122
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The problem with Schengen is being an outer border with Turkey and also bordering Greece which will provide an uninterrupted passage for illegals. Nothing to do with "not wanting" anyone in the EU. I think that Schengen is not necessary at the time nor it provides any significant benefit.
For one thing they are not trusted yet with securing EU's outer borders. But then again, neither is Greece, and they are in Schengen anyway.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:00 AM   #11123
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For one thing they are not trusted yet with securing EU's outer borders. But then again, neither is Greece, and they are in Schengen anyway.
We do our best but in this crisis we simply cannot fund a proper border protection both by land and by sea. Perhaps the EU should do something about it. We are the goal keepers of Europe for ****'s sake.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:03 AM   #11124
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We do our best but in this crisis we simply cannot fund a proper border protection both by land and by sea. Perhaps the EU should do something about it. We are the goal keepers of Europe for ****'s sake.
I agree, and I'm not blaming Greece.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:04 AM   #11125
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Nothing to do with "not wanting" anyone in the EU.
Not true. Populist right-wing politicians in the UK, Netherlands and France have said vile things about Romanians.

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I think that Schengen is not necessary at the time nor it provides any significant benefit.
Irrelevant. They are part of the EU and they can't be left out legally as they have equipped their border to fight illegal crossings and the EU doesn't deny this. Not to mention that Europe doesn't have much of a problem with illegal immigration like the US with Mexicans. Most migrants in Europe just seek asylum which is a different category, they can arrive through a regular border post as you can't turn them back once they have filed an asylum request. The only reason why they take the alternative routes is because they don't want to claim asylum in Bulgaria but in Germany or the UK and once they have been caught in Bulgaria they have to claim asylum there after which they can't do it in the west.

Bulgaria and Romania are member states with equal rights and responsibilities, you can't decide for them if they should give up on their rights because it is "not necessary" or doesn't provide you with significant benefit. It's their right and their prerogative.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #11126
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The demographic shift is terrifying. There won't be no Greece in the next century, the way things are going.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #11127
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Livigno (I) -> Pontresina (CH)
Swiss customs facility on Bernina Pass. This is already some kms into Swiss territory (I missed the Italian exit behind ...).
August 2014

1. They keep an eye on entering traffic, even at 2000 mts altitude


2. Border Guard service car; though the canton of Graubünden is predominantly German-speaking, it has three official languages (de, it, rm)


3. Lookin' back
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:08 AM   #11128
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For one thing they are not trusted yet with securing EU's outer borders. But then again, neither is Greece, and they are in Schengen anyway.
When Schengen happened, there wasn't such a wave of immigrants. You can bet your behind that Greece would never have smelled Schengen today.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:09 AM   #11129
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Bulgaria and Romania are member states with equal rights and responsibilities, you can't decide for them if they should give up on their rights because it is "not necessary" or doesn't provide you with significant benefit. It's their right and their prerogative.
I can decide since I'm from those countries
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:11 AM   #11130
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I can decide since I'm from those countries
Some people in Bulgaria wish it would leave the EU and join an alliance with Russia. So? Governments of Bulgaria and Romania have filed their requests to join Schengen (and there are no technical but only political issues left) and that's the only thing that matters.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:12 AM   #11131
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I can decide since I'm from those countries
Which one of them?
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:13 AM   #11132
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Some people in Bulgaria wish it would leave the EU and join an alliance with Russia. So? Governments of Bulgaria and Romania have filed their requests to join Schengen (and there are no technical but only political issues left) and that's the only thing that matters.
Sorry for daring have an opinion, comrade Stalin
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:18 AM   #11133
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Is this the new Balkan war thread or something?
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #11134
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Is this the new Balkan war thread or something?
This has been a problem thread for years now.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:31 AM   #11135
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The problem with Schengen is being an outer border with Turkey and also bordering Greece which will provide an uninterrupted passage for illegals. Nothing to do with "not wanting" anyone in the EU. It's also used as a tool to combat corruption in those countries (not that Croatia is any better in that respect).
I did not get it. What does prevent illegal immigrants from taking plane in Greece and travel all around the Schengenland legally with no worries or need to even pull out their passports from bags?

Dont be ridiculous, the security of Schengen area does not stand on either Bulgaria or Romania refusal in it.
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Livigno (I) -> Pontresina (CH)
Swiss customs facility on Bernina Pass. This is already some kms into Swiss territory (I missed the Italian exit behind ...).
August 2014

1. They keep an eye on entering traffic, even at 2000 mts altitude

2. Border Guard service car; though the canton of Graubünden is predominantly German-speaking, it has three official languages (de, it, rm)

3. Lookin' back
Thank you Corvinus. I'm on my mobile now but you get a like when I get on my computer. This is what I want to see.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:48 AM   #11137
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I did not get it. What does prevent illegal immigrants from taking plane in Greece and travel all around the Schengenland legally with no worries or need to even pull out their passports from bags?

Dont be ridiculous, the security of Schengen area does not stand on either Bulgaria or Romania refusal in it.
Money. Also they still have to go through security checks. May be requested identification, etc.

Think before typing.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:58 AM   #11138
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Sorry for daring have an opinion, comrade Stalin
Do I need to remind you what you wrote? You wrote "I can decide". What's that got to do with an opinion? You purported to be in the position to decide, and my reply still stands - there are many opinions across RO and BG but the Government is the one that actually decides. And their decision was to file a request to join the Schengen area. Various opinions have no bearing on this.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 01:06 AM   #11139
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You said I can't decide for them. Obviously I can't literally decide. What an inane thing to say to begin with. Since we can't decide hence say anything for our government, let's shut this forum down.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 01:50 AM   #11140
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The demographic shift is terrifying. There won't be no Greece in the next century, the way things are going.
Don't worry, that Greece has been there for like 4000 years, it will still be there another 4000 years
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