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Old August 20th, 2014, 01:23 AM   #11161
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Perhaps a not popular opinion here, but there is nothing more artificial in World than border crossings. Even concrete houses are (basically) part of the evolution and therefore more natural than stupid lines which can be crossed only under certain circumstances.

Why can a eagle fly from northern hemisphere to southern one without worrying where he is and human can't?
It's true that borders are very artificial, but humans are intelligent beings organized in complex societies, more complex than animal society. Being members of a social group, that can range from the family to the nation level, means sharing values, rules and law. A social group is usually identified with a physical space. It's obvious that humans, who are rational beings, try to protect their own place from external dangers.
A state is just a bigger version of the personal propetry (house, land, business,...). When you own a property you estabilish the rules that anyone who is inside it must follow and decide when and under which circumstances strangers can enter it. The same happens with countries.
Obviously countries can agree to abolish border controls between them but this implies a certain degree of good relations and respect of some common rules. I can agree to remove the fence between my backyard and my neighbour's backyard if we both agree and if we have a friendly relatioship. I can accept to share a flat with friend(s) if we all agree some common rules for cohabitation. But I certainly wouldn't go away leaving my house unlocked, accessible by everybody, included those who ignore social coexistence rules.

The freedom of movement of people and goods made possible by the EU (with Schengen and common custom area) is now possible only because of decades of harmonization of laws of the single member states (through EU directives, regulations and international treaties).
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old August 20th, 2014, 04:39 AM   #11162
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Does anyone have photos of border crossings between Imperial Germany and the Netherlands?
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 10:08 PM   #11163
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In 1699, after continuous clashes between Venice and Ragusa republics, was decided to estabilish a neutral area between them.

After the Treaty of Campoformio in 1797 the Republic of Venice ceased to exist and it was incorporated into the Austrian Empire. The Republic of Venice followed the same sort in 1808. Those Austrian annexations were confirmed by the Treaty of Vienna in 1815. A corridor of Ottoman territory towards the Adriatic sea separated southern Dalmatia with the rest of the Hasburg empire till the annexation of Bosnia in 1908.
For other 83 years, the area remained borderless, until Croatia declared the independence from Yugoslavia in 1991.
The present-day situation is quite well known. BiH is nowhere near joining EU, let alone Schengen, but will be a day in the future when there will be no border there?
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old August 24th, 2014, 01:00 PM   #11164
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Erata corrige: The Republic of Ragusa (Dubrovnik) followed the same sort in 1808.
Thx for posting this map.
As can be seen, today only Vojvodina, Gulf of Cattaro and western parts of Ukraine (Lemberg) are not in the EU.
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Old August 25th, 2014, 03:05 PM   #11165
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[B][NL] E34

Construction of the Animals' Overpass on the Dutch-Belgian border turned to its end.








This is its look several months ago.
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Old August 25th, 2014, 08:54 PM   #11166
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For other 83 years, the area remained borderless, until Croatia declared the independence from Yugoslavia in 1991.
I wonder what the border looked like then?
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Old August 27th, 2014, 01:36 AM   #11167
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I wonder what the border looked like then?
It was de facto part of Croatia via Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 04:49 AM   #11168
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What is the EU doing financing a bridge between Ecuador and Peru lol

http://goo.gl/maps/mS4iY

did they at least export the Schengen idea? It seems there is no control

http://goo.gl/maps/Qz4aY

http://goo.gl/maps/HMnxb

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Old August 28th, 2014, 08:26 AM   #11169
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There is no control because the migratory controls are a few kms from there and all South Americans have always been able to travel between countries without any visas
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Old August 28th, 2014, 10:13 AM   #11170
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I've been looking for this picture for a long time, and I've finally found it.

http://www.cvce.eu/content/publicati...ublishable.jpg

This shows the queue at the town bridge in Frankfurt (Oder)/Słubice, direction Frankfurt. What's interesting is the presence of two lines - one for EU, one for non-EU. After Poland joined the EU, they closed the second line - although I'm not sure why.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 11:56 AM   #11171
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There is no control because the migratory controls are a few kms from there and all South Americans have always been able to travel between countries without any visas
I still don't understand are there controls or not? Because you say there is no control because there are migratory controls? And how does that automatically mean no border control? Take a look at the UK. Plus the fact that South Americans can travel without visas does not necessarily mean they have freedom of movement and also it doesn't mean it's only South Americans moving around South America and countries there don't have the same visa regimes.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 02:19 PM   #11172
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I still don't understand are there controls or not? Because you say there is no control because there are migratory controls? And how does that automatically mean no border control? Take a look at the UK. Plus the fact that South Americans can travel without visas does not necessarily mean they have freedom of movement and also it doesn't mean it's only South Americans moving around South America and countries there don't have the same visa regimes.
He's saying there are controls but they're a few kilometres from the border. I haven't seen the pictures but in South America often border towns have free circulation between them, and controls at the edges of the town.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 08:56 PM   #11173
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What is the EU doing financing a bridge between Ecuador and Peru lol

http://goo.gl/maps/mS4iY

did they at least export the Schengen idea? It seems there is no control

http://goo.gl/maps/Qz4aY

http://goo.gl/maps/HMnxb

If you go further on both directions you will find the checkpoints.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 09:06 PM   #11174
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What is the EU doing financing a bridge between Ecuador and Peru lol

http://goo.gl/maps/mS4iY
Neocolonialism.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #11175
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Neocolonialism.
It's not really that, usually they do that for the same reasons japan did (they also built one). To celebrate the peace between wo countries which were in conflict until 1999.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #11176
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It's not really that, usually they do that for the same reasons japan did (they also built one). To celebrate the peace between wo countries which were in conflict until 1999.
Why don't they celebrate that themselves, since Europe has nothing to do with it, and our money should be better spent within our boundaries?
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Old August 28th, 2014, 11:18 PM   #11177
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It's not really that, usually they do that for the same reasons japan did (they also built one). To celebrate the peace between wo countries which were in conflict until 1999.
It is "good" to know that my money are being spent "efficiently". Thanks to that I will have a good sleep tonight.
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Does anyone have photos of border crossing of Imperial Germany with Netherlands and Belgium?
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Old August 30th, 2014, 03:52 PM   #11179
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Yes, the EU might have funded a bridge there. But you can bet that it was as a result of some favourable concessions, such as allowing subsidised European food to destroy their domestic producers.
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Old August 30th, 2014, 04:25 PM   #11180
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I guess explanation can be easier...
A company receives the order of signals and construction of the boundary stretch. They get plans and documentation of the last project done and it was in the EU. Therefore they copy absolutely all... incluiding three flags. One for each country and the EU. No one on the works bother about that flag...
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