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Old August 30th, 2014, 04:58 PM   #11181
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http://st.ilfattoquotidiano.it/wp-co...a-cantieri.pdf
Map from the Italian minister of transports: notice the border between Croatia and Bosnia.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 01:36 PM   #11182
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I guess explanation can be easier...
A company receives the order of signals and construction of the boundary stretch. They get plans and documentation of the last project done and it was in the EU. Therefore they copy absolutely all... incluiding three flags. One for each country and the EU. No one on the works bother about that flag...
There was actual EU funding for that bridge (link).

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The European Community has signed with the Republics of Ecuador and Perú, a convention for the upgrade of road axis Nş1 for 40 million euro, which goes along Panamericana Norte road, between the towns of Piura (Perú) and Guayaquil (Ecuador), and comprises the execution of the following studies and works:

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- New International Bridge

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- Huaquillas bypass (2.8 km)
- Santa Rosa - Huaquillas road (46 km)
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Old August 31st, 2014, 03:49 PM   #11183
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The EU, like many others, doesn't give money for nothing. It might be 40 million Euro there, but they would certainly be getting that money back somehow. It's exactly the same situation as the Chinese in Africa building all sorts of things in exchange for mining rights.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 12:18 PM   #11184
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Rural border crossing between Italy and Switzerland
https://www.google.it/maps/@45.83903...G-HenlfDNQ!2e0

The road in in Italy, after the wooden poles it's Switzerland
https://www.google.it/maps/place/Var...f9bb5bf2862168

The house is in Italy, left of the fence it's Switzerland
https://www.google.it/maps/place/Var...f9bb5bf2862168

Are those mobile obstacle legal within the Schengen area (that includes CH too)?
https://www.google.it/maps/@45.86219...vr1hiDNSwQ!2e0
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 01:36 PM   #11185
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Are those mobile obstacle legal within the Schengen area (that includes CH too)?
https://www.google.it/maps/@45.86219...vr1hiDNSwQ!2e0
If you "drive" further you will get images from 2013, not from 2010, and those barriers are gone...
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 12:41 AM   #11186
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The EU, like many others, doesn't give money for nothing. It might be 40 million Euro there, but they would certainly be getting that money back somehow. It's exactly the same situation as the Chinese in Africa building all sorts of things in exchange for mining rights.
Depends on the funding type. It could be conditioned with that the EU companies must construct it for an example, that's a typical one.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 12:43 AM   #11187
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Russia-Georgia border reopens after 10 day closure due to landslides.













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Old September 2nd, 2014, 03:32 AM   #11188
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Are those mobile obstacle legal within the Schengen area (that includes CH too)?
https://www.google.it/maps/@45.86219...vr1hiDNSwQ!2e0
According to the rules, no. It's clear that Schengen signatory states should remove all barriers that impede the flow of traffic. Some countries have taken it more seriously than others, and the EU has only intervened when they've been used on a routine and systematic basis (like at La Jonquera). But according to the rules - they're not legal at all.

In reality, I think there's an implicit understanding that non-EU states are allowed to slow traffic down for the purpose of customs control, as long as they don't stop every car and checks are based more on intelligence than being random.

The strangest thing for me is that since Switzerland joined Schengen, it seems that the surrounding EU member states (especially France) have demolished most of the infrastructure for carrying out Customs controls. I don't understand why...
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 10:30 AM   #11189
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Col d'Agnel/Colle dell'Agnello (2744 m) between Italy and France, as seen from the French side:


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Old September 2nd, 2014, 11:16 AM   #11190
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Is the Russian-Georgian* border open to anyone?

*I mean Georgia proper, not the breakaway republics.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 12:50 PM   #11191
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Is the Russian-Georgian* border open to anyone?

*I mean Georgia proper, not the breakaway republics.
Just a few posts above you can see photos from that border crossing
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 01:45 PM   #11192
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Just a few posts above you can see photos from that border crossing
The nature looks hilarious there
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 02:00 PM   #11193
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Looks a bit like the south of Serbia https://www.google.rs/search?client=...33.Qv8eKx_jGNo
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 02:48 PM   #11194
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Just a few posts above you can see photos from that border crossing
This is the reason I asked.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 05:19 PM   #11195
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Border crossing between Kazakhstan and the Russian exclave of Baykonur, home of the famous cosmodrome, that remained to Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 05:40 PM   #11196
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Is that seriously a "no coach and horses" sign there?
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 06:13 PM   #11197
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This is the reason I asked.
Well in those photos you can see cars crossing the border so yes it is open.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 06:52 PM   #11198
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That still does not answer his question whether the crossing is open to everyone or not.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 07:14 PM   #11199
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That still does not answer his question whether the crossing is open to everyone or not.
Exactly. Few years ago I read that it was open only to CIS passport holders and that it was the same for the RUS-AZ border. In the pics above I see only Russian cars and, very strange, one Ukrainian (but I checked the code and it is from Donetsk, so geographically and politically close to Russia).
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According to some recent reports, it is open for everyone but non CIS citizens might be questioned http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic..._District.html https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntr...azbegi-georgia
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