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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:16 PM   #11221
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Voladaaa, do you have any knowledge as to why the Bratislava-Jarovce crossing on the D4 was only open to small trucks and cars?

I was reading through some old documents a while ago, and it seems that all heavy truck traffic was routed through Berg, even after Slovakia joined the EU.
Are you sure you did not mean the old Jarovce-Kittsee crossing (not the motorway one)? Because yes, old Jarovce has been and is closed for heavy trucks, and the reason is simple - the road is narrow and the border crossing was tiny.

Even two cars heading to each other have problems to pass by. And the crossing was like a joke. I remember when I crossed in 2007 there was a tent with officer who was in charge of checking passports It definitely did not look like a border crossing but except missing trenches like war frontiers somewhere in Eastern Ukraine. I'm trying to find a photograph, but only have found the post-schengen one.

The reason of that was simple: heavy cars to Berg, passenger cars to Kittsee.

So imagine a tent there until I look for the older photo.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:33 PM   #11222
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No, not the small Jarovce one, but the one on the D4. I'll try and find the document - it says that the D4 Jarovce crossing was only open to trucks weighing no more than 7.5t. The only thing I can think of is that they didn't want trucks going through Kittsee, as the Austrian A6 wasn't open yet? But still, strange, especially when you consider how poor the infrastructure was at Berg as opposed to the main Jarovce D4 crossing.

http://www.turus.net/fotostrecke/ima...pe=img&id=5168 - Austrian crossing at Kittsee.

http://www.turus.net/fotostrecke/ima...pe=img&id=5171 - Slovakian crossing at Jarovce.

I think the small Kittsee/Jarovce crossing was A/SK only until 2004 as well?
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 08:37 PM   #11223
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No, not the small Jarovce one, but the one on the D4. I'll try and find the document - it says that the D4 Jarovce crossing was only open to trucks weighing no more than 7.5t. The only thing I can think of is that they didn't want trucks going through Kittsee, as the Austrian A6 wasn't open yet? But still, strange, especially when you consider how poor the infrastructure was at Berg as opposed to the main Jarovce D4 crossing.

http://www.turus.net/fotostrecke/ima...pe=img&id=5168 - Austrian crossing at Kittsee.

http://www.turus.net/fotostrecke/ima...pe=img&id=5171 - Slovakian crossing at Jarovce.

I think the small Kittsee/Jarovce crossing was A/SK only until 2004 as well?
The Kittsee argument is invalid, because the temporary road D4 - Kittsee ended on the road from Berg:-\ there are still leftovers present. perhaps it could have something to do with A6 construction.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 10:02 PM   #11224
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Were there any issues back in 2007 with airports across new EU member states regarding conforming to Schengen rules? Were there any terminals that were late in implementing the technical side of things?
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 11:14 PM   #11225
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That still does not answer his question whether the crossing is open to everyone or not.
I used that Georgia-Russia border crossing twice in 2011 and saw SUVs with Polish plates using it.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 06:43 PM   #11226
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Old September 4th, 2014, 06:58 PM   #11227
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Nice weather. :p Any plans to take down the border booth.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #11228
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How a checkpoint to a closed Russian city looks like - http://goo.gl/maps/YUsJf
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Old September 4th, 2014, 07:09 PM   #11229
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They took down the booths but not the roof.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 07:32 PM   #11230
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Old September 4th, 2014, 07:34 PM   #11231
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Old September 4th, 2014, 10:13 PM   #11233
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Nice weather. :p Any plans to take down the border booth.
Yeah but I guess it will take a while.

Last five motorway kilometres in Spain until the border remain to be built.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 03:15 AM   #11234
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Were there any issues back in 2007 with airports across new EU member states regarding conforming to Schengen rules? Were there any terminals that were late in implementing the technical side of things?
Quite a few airports actually still don't comply as far as I know. For example, Chania Airport in Greece - there are no transfers there, so all arrivals go through the area for passport control - although there is obviously no control for Schengen-originating flights.

But having said this, I have a feeling that Schengen doesn't demand separated areas and so on. The only requirement is that passengers aren't subjected to a passport check on departure or entry - but that can be easily accomplished by having passport control taking place at the gate, such as in Tegel or Schoenfeld airports.

Even in the worst case scenario, they could just shift non-Schengen flights to a part of the terminal that can be easily barricaded off with passport controls.

From a political point of view, I've always thought the major problem with Schengen is the poor execution of controls by countries such as France. The internet is full of reports from people arriving on flights from places such as New York and not even meeting an immigration officer - which I think is absolutely unacceptable.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 03:40 AM   #11235
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Quite a few airports actually still don't comply as far as I know. For example, Chania Airport in Greece - there are no transfers there, so all arrivals go through the area for passport control - although there is obviously no control for Schengen-originating flights.

But having said this, I have a feeling that Schengen doesn't demand separated areas and so on. The only requirement is that passengers aren't subjected to a passport check on departure or entry - but that can be easily accomplished by having passport control taking place at the gate, such as in Tegel or Schoenfeld airports.

Even in the worst case scenario, they could just shift non-Schengen flights to a part of the terminal that can be easily barricaded off with passport controls.

From a political point of view, I've always thought the major problem with Schengen is the poor execution of controls by countries such as France. The internet is full of reports from people arriving on flights from places such as New York and not even meeting an immigration officer - which I think is absolutely unacceptable.
There are no immigration officers in France. Border checks are being carried out by the police and customs. And especially customs are very thorough in France.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 05:48 AM   #11237
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The internet is full of reports from people arriving on flights from places such as New York and not even meeting an immigration officer - which I think is absolutely unacceptable.
I find this very hard to believe.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 07:54 AM   #11238
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The middle picture is not taken at the tripoint, but at the Raja-Jooseppi border station about 65 km to the SSW.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 10:58 AM   #11239
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I find this very hard to believe.
CDG seems to be notorious for it - if you look on airliners.net and flyertalk, there are constant comments there about not getting stamped in or immigration even being non-existent.

For me, I find it hard to trust the Schengen system as long as many countries don't even conduct a so-called 'minimum check' on travellers.
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Quite a few airports actually still don't comply as far as I know. For example, Chania Airport in Greece - there are no transfers there, so all arrivals go through the area for passport control - although there is obviously no control for Schengen-originating flights.
So what happens in Chania when two flights arrive at the same time, from Amsterdam and Moscow?

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There are no immigration officers in France.
I believe that was used colloquially as in English speaking countries the control on arrival is usually considered immigration control while in continental Europe it is considered merely an identity check, perhaps with a few hybrid cases like the Netherlands, hence the "passport control" as it's a place where they check the validity of documents and identities of passengers, they are not considered immigrants until proven otherwise as in the UK. In Serbian the colloquial name for people carrying out passport control is "customs officers" and even though they've got nothing to do with Customs.
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