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Old September 7th, 2014, 02:18 PM   #11281
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Well, if a Russian tourist gets a Schengen visa (which isn't that hard in the end), they are free to visit the tripoint from Poland or Lithuania...
Wouldn't that be even more annoying than getting a Russian permit?
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Old September 7th, 2014, 02:52 PM   #11282
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Not at all. Practicality every citizen in St Petersburg is entitled to have one due to its proximity to Finland, and the Finnish consulate hands them out like candies.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 03:37 PM   #11283
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What's strange is that while they mention the fine clearly with the border with Russia, they don't mention anything such on the PL-SK-UA tripoint. I wonder why?

Having said this, the Polish border guards tend to use common sense in my experience. A friend was caught in the UA side of the border in Bieszczady, although just a few metres - they told him to cross back to PL before the Ukrainians caught him, checked and recorded his identity and told him to go back to Wolosate immediately.
In Bieszczady they don't give a **** about the actual border. Don't get me wrong, that border has probably the highest number of Straż Graniczna per square kilometre of any external EU border between Edirne and Kirkenes, but they don't really bother to go out into the mountains and try to catch illegal immigrants there. Maybe around Przełęcz Beskid they actually check, but elsewhere they don't really care. Instead, they keep to the roads out as anyone needing to go further to Rzeszów and on to Warsaw, Kraków, Berlin or further will eventually need to come down from the mountains. Why waste manpower and resources hunting in the mountains when there are only three major roads leading in and out of the area?

So yes. Our Straż Graniczna is very capable of using common sense.

We're often in Bieszczady, and in June last year we were checked three times on the road between Cisna and Brzegi Górne. I've never, ever, seen Straż further into the mountains than at the schronisko at Mała Rawka. If that would be the case, I wouldn't be comfortable doing this 10 metres into Ukrainian territory:



And neither would there be geocaches hidden 40-50 metres into UA territory which can only be accessed from PL/SK. Just sayin'.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #11284
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Those border guards received a very interesting training from Navajo Indians:

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Last week, three American-Indian trackers from the Navajo and Tohono O'odham tribes joined a 26-strong group of Polish customs officers around the small town of Huwniki, which lies about 250 miles southeast of Warsaw near the town of Przemysl. They were there to teach the Poles the ancient skills of their tribes: how to interpret messages from crushed leaves, broken branches and old footprints. Their help is needed since Poland and other Eastern European nations joined the EU, prompting a flood of illegal immigration from the Ukraine and other countries to the east.
Bryan Nez, 55, a Navajo Indian whose usual beat is the porous desert border between America and Mexico, learnt his tracking skills at a young age. "We didn't have any vehicles, running water or gas for fire; our main job back then was to track our horses," he said. "In the evening we'd let them out of the corral, and in the morning we'd have to find them. So when I was nine years old my grandfather kicked me out of bed and said, 'Go tracking.' I've been doing it ever since.

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Old September 7th, 2014, 05:26 PM   #11285
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Not at all. Practicality every citizen in St Petersburg is entitled to have one due to its proximity to Finland, and the Finnish consulate hands them out like candies.
I think that tripoint is more interesting to residents of Kaliningrad.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 05:29 PM   #11286
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As for Kalliningrad, I'm still wondering if there are not any separatist movements. It is incredibly isolated from Russia apart from former German origin.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 05:47 PM   #11287
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Um, if they're all ethnic Russians living there, then there will be no fear of separatism. Please let that bit stay Russian, or the shit is going to hit the fan in that area as well.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 05:56 PM   #11288
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Um, if they're all ethnic Russians living there, then there will be no fear of separatism. Please let that bit stay Russian, or the shit is going to hit the fan in that area as well.
I just consider in geographical way. It is de facto functional separated region and I guess Kaliningrad must supply some "capital functions". Have not been there though.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #11289
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Kaliningrad will declare independence when Sardinia will. For some reason people often think of exclaves as problematic, but not islands, which are even more isolated (except compared to landlocked exclaves = enclaves).
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Old September 7th, 2014, 11:23 PM   #11290
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Kaliningrad will declare independence when Sardinia will. For some reason people often think of exclaves as problematic, but not islands, which are even more isolated (except compared to landlocked exclaves = enclaves).
It is not that simple. Sardinia is isolated by sea, most of which belongs to Italian waters. Theoretically, you can travel there whenever you want.

Kaliningrad is isolated by European Union, Schengenland and NATO countries. Although it is accessible through sea, you have to cross several state's waters. It makes the transportation of certain products more expensive, less profitable a less reliable (especially during possible forthcoming CW2 it may turn to be Westberlin zwei)
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Old September 8th, 2014, 12:30 AM   #11291
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According to OpenStreetMap there're continuous international waters between Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 01:14 AM   #11292
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Despite the ferry connection, it's probably easier and cheaper to travel between Kaliningrad and the rest of Russia by car or train through Lithuania and Belarus. As already mentioned in the thread, getting a Schengen visa is not really hard, and Lithuania has even facilitated that process especially to Russians travelling to and from Kaliningrad.

And as for Belarus, no visa is required of Russians at all.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 01:24 AM   #11293
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Despite the ferry connection, it's probably easier and cheaper to travel between Kaliningrad and the rest of Russia by car or train through Lithuania and Belarus.
Or Latvia. And easiest is plane.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 05:19 AM   #11294
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I wonder why Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico aren't independent though.

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Should they?
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Old September 9th, 2014, 11:23 AM   #11296
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I wonder why Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico aren't independent though.
I wonder the same with French Guiana.
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And Corsica. And Texas. And Mallorca. And, and...
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Old September 9th, 2014, 12:49 PM   #11298
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I wonder why Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico aren't independent though.
They are proud of being American citizens, enjoying the American wealth and being able to travel, work and reside in the USA. Puerto Rico is the richest "country" in Central America, they don't want to become another banana republic ruled by a crazy dictator that supports narco-trafficants and starves its people.
It's the same with French Guyana and other oversea territories, though New Caledonia has strong independist movements.
Puerto Rico even wants to become the 51th US state, instead of a US territory (Alaska and Hawaii did the same in 1959).
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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:14 PM   #11299
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Puerto Rico is a bit more complicated, though. Independence parties are quite strong, while Hawaii and Alaska basically have none of them.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiia...ignty_movement
There is some independist movement in Hawaii but it probably represents only a small minority of Hawaiian population (like the Padania independentism in the 1990s or Veneto currently). Nothing like Scotland where the most recent survey says that 51% supports independence.
Puerto Rico, unlikely Alaska and Hawaii, doesn't use English as first language, but Spanish, so it helps to create a separate identity.
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