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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:30 PM   #11301
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Somport , french-spanish border
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Aragón Somport by blogsergio, on Flickr
Túnel de Somport - Cantó espanyol by catorze14, on Flickr
Túnel de Somport. by sofv, on Flickr
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Túnel de Somport - Cantó francès by catorze14, on Flickr
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tunel somport salida francia by AlesMV, on Flickr
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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:36 PM   #11302
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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:54 PM   #11303
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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #11304
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Col du Somport by centenair2010, on Flickr
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Vista de las montañas by Alberto Lizaga, on Flickr
May 1991: snow on top of the Col du Somport, Spanish border. by Beyond the grave, on Flickr
Autour du col by ClydeHouse, on Flickr
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Old September 9th, 2014, 03:00 PM   #11305
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They are proud of being American citizens, enjoying the American wealth and being able to travel, work and reside in the USA. Puerto Rico is the richest "country" in Central America, they don't want to become another banana republic ruled by a crazy dictator that supports narco-trafficants and starves its people.
It's the same with French Guyana and other oversea territories, though New Caledonia has strong independist movements.
Puerto Rico even wants to become the 51th US state, instead of a US territory (Alaska and Hawaii did the same in 1959).
There are also people in Puerto Rico who want to return belonging to Spain

I heard about this movement long time ago, and these past weeks Puerto Rico national basketball team played in my city, so I could ask to some of the Puerto Rico fans who came here.
They told me that, in fact, nearly everyone would like that because of historical, language and cultural reasons, but due to difficulties that the USA will create and because of economical and geographical reasons a lot of people accept that this probably will never happen.

Anyway, I think Spain should try to make very strong laces with Puerto Rico, like giving nationality to the ones who wants them or increasing the business in this island
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Old September 9th, 2014, 03:06 PM   #11306
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Why not the whole of Latin America while you are at it? The Brits could give all Americans their UK nationality.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #11307
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Why not the whole of Latin America while you are at it? The Brits could give all Americans their UK nationality.
Italy basically did that. Everyone with at least one documented Italian ancestor can apply for and get Italian citizenship.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 07:19 PM   #11308
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Old September 9th, 2014, 08:32 PM   #11309
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Why not the whole of Latin America while you are at it? The Brits could give all Americans their UK nationality.
It's not the same. While between 1810-1825 most of hispanic-american became independent, very few territories didn't have independence movements: Guam, Cuba and Puerto Rico (apart from the Philippines).

After that, in 1898 these 4 territories became independent, did they really want? Well, Cuba and the Philippines yes, they had several several wars against Spain until the USA helped them to reach independence, but in Puerto Rico the independence movements only generated a revolution which ended in some months.

Also, the most important reason is what I said: today, in the USA the movements pro-union with UK are inexistent, the same with most of the countries in South and Central America about union with Spain, but in Puerto Rico the society is different
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Old September 9th, 2014, 08:33 PM   #11310
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Should they?
They're all away from the contiguous USA. Hawaiians are very far away and very different, Alaska has a lot of oil, and Puerto Rico speaks Spanish (like southern USA though ).
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Old September 9th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #11311
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They're all away from the contiguous USA. Hawaiians are very far away and very different, Alaska has a lot of oil, and Puerto Rico speaks Spanish (like southern USA though ).
Geographic location is not the main criterion to definy sovereignity. For example the Canaries, Azores, Madeira, Faer Oer, Svalbard are quite far away from their mainlands but they are still part of their countries and have cultural bounds with them. The cultural\linguistic\ethnic identity is a more relevant criterion.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #11312
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Geographic location is not the main criterion to definy sovereignity. For example the Canaries, Azores, Madeira, Faer Oer, Svalbard are quite far away from their mainlands but they are still part of their countries and have cultural bounds with them. The cultural\linguistic\ethnic identity is a more relevant criterion.
The first geographic law reads as follows:
"Everything is related to everything else, but near things are more related than distant ones"


You can oppose by telling this is not true due to technology, but look at the phone calls, e-mails, messages, facebook friends. Although you have probably lot of contacts from all over the world, majority of them is located in close distance from you

What do you think, do people from Vladivostok care about Ukrainian crisis?
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Old September 9th, 2014, 10:31 PM   #11313
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Old September 9th, 2014, 10:40 PM   #11314
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Geographic location is not the main criterion to definy sovereignity. For example the Canaries, Azores, Madeira, Faer Oer, Svalbard are quite far away from their mainlands but they are still part of their countries and have cultural bounds with them. The cultural\linguistic\ethnic identity is a more relevant criterion.
No, it's also about size (size always matters ). Those places you mention are small and probably don't want independence. Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico are more populous.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 10:53 PM   #11315
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Italy basically did that. Everyone with at least one documented Italian ancestor can apply for and get Italian citizenship.
Which mean that a lot of people in the Americas can get an European (and Schengen) passport quite easily. Is that decision really a wise one?
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Old September 9th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #11316
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vitoria man. Nice pictures in Somport though they are three different borders. Mountain pass, tunnel (E-07) and former railway tunnel.

I'll try to make a will and give some additional explanations about some of them



P.S. Please, back to topic about islands... Few of them have "international borders"
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Old September 9th, 2014, 11:05 PM   #11317
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vitoria man. Nice pictures in Somport though they are three different borders. Mountain pass, tunnel (E-07) and former railway tunnel.

I'll try to make a will and give some additional explanations about some of them

P.S. Please, back to topic about islands... Few of them have "international borders"
Dominican Republic with Haiti for example. And Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. And maybe next year UK with Scotland. And France/Netherlands on St Martin.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 11:49 PM   #11318
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^ Borneo is even shared by 3 countries.

Canaries have a larger population than Alaska and Hawaii. I guess if they became independent they wouldn't be allowed back into Eu since they are in Africa
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Well... Near Africa.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #11320
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Canaries have a larger population than Alaska and Hawaii.
That's what I wanted to check, but then forgot. I had no idea they had more inhabitants than Slovenia.

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I guess if they became independent they wouldn't be allowed back into Eu since they are in Africa
Well, Cyprus is an Asian island (although much closer to Europe indeed).
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