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Old September 18th, 2014, 05:53 PM   #11381
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would Scottland join schengen?
If Scotland votes Yes and becomes independent then they will no longer be in the EU. They're only a member state now as they fall under the UK's membership. Leaving the UK would negate Scotlands membership. Scotland would have to join the EU and that's not guaranteed for a few reasons.

Under the above circumstances Scotland would then become an international state and its border with England would then become an EU external border whether we're Shengen members or not.

If Scotland succeeds in joining the EU then all of its borders will revert to as they are now but they will only be members of Schengen in the same way Ireland is.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #11382
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Yes it does through airports and ferry terminals....
On airports you have to stop and show some documents anyway, so I don't really consider that a problem.

As for ferries, I didn't know there were any. Any regular passenger services, at least.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 05:59 PM   #11383
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If Scotland succeeds in joining the EU then all of its borders will revert to as they are now but they will only be members of Schengen in the same way Ireland is.
Ireland is not a Schengen member in any way. Neither is the UK.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 06:00 PM   #11384
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As for ferries, I didn't know there were any...
There's ferries from Stranraer, Troon & Cairnryan to Belfast & Larne in Northern Ireland.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 06:01 PM   #11385
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There's ferries from Stranraer, Troon & Cairnryan to Belfast & Larne in Northern Ireland.
Yes, but are there ferries to Schengen area?
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Old September 18th, 2014, 06:04 PM   #11386
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Ireland is not a Schengen member in any way. Neither is the UK.
That's what I said.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 06:11 PM   #11387
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Yes, but are there ferries to Schengen area?
Edinburgh to Zeebrugge and Lerwick to Bergen.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 06:14 PM   #11388
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Yes, but are there ferries to Schengen area?
I think there used to be one from Leith to Ijmuiden or Esbjerg although I have no idea whether that's still the case.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #11389
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If I recall well, the A5\M70 motorway between Slovenia and Hungary was opened few days after those countries joined Schengen
8 months later.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 08:27 PM   #11390
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they have taken the pattern from French toll booths
https://maps.google.hr/maps?ll=48.55...,242.8,,0,7.65
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Old September 18th, 2014, 08:30 PM   #11391
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It still should say UK border control. England remains a part of the UK and will not become independent.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 10:53 PM   #11392
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It still should say UK border control. England remains a part of the UK and will not become independent.
Well, the UK remains a sovereign country and may freely decide to rename itself if it so wishes.

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Edinburgh to Zeebrugge and Lerwick to Bergen.
Ok, thanks.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 02:06 AM   #11393
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Are there some special provisions for Russian traffic between mainland and Kaliningrad through PL or LT?
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Old September 20th, 2014, 07:57 AM   #11394
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Travel by tank, or "humanitarian convoy," and you can go wherever you want?
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Old September 20th, 2014, 01:37 PM   #11395
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from dir. Novafeltria (I) -> Gualdicciolo (RSM)

September 2014

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2. The sign on the right indicates emergency telephone numbers, which are different from those in Italy.



Gualdicciolo (RSM) -> dir. Novafeltria, Arezzo (I)

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2. Rimini administrative unit, not Rimini city, of course.
As this was the north-west corner of RSM, Rimini city is some 30 km from here.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 03:40 PM   #11396
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If Scotland votes Yes and becomes independent then they will no longer be in the EU. They're only a member state now as they fall under the UK's membership. Leaving the UK would negate Scotlands membership. Scotland would have to join the EU and that's not guaranteed for a few reasons.

Under the above circumstances Scotland would then become an international state and its border with England would then become an EU external border whether we're Shengen members or not.

If Scotland succeeds in joining the EU then all of its borders will revert to as they are now but they will only be members of Schengen in the same way Ireland is.
You're making the common mistake of confusing EU (economic pact) with Schengen Treaty (free movement of people).

Switzerland and Norway are in Schengen, but not in EU. Croatia is in EU, but not in Schengen. So are Ireland and UK.

One does not automatically mean the other. However, in Scotland's business would be to join the UK-Ireland agreement, whatevet it's called, rather than Schengen, as the latter would mean a huge border between Alba and Anglia.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #11397
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It doesn't matter anymore now anyway.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 06:49 PM   #11398
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Actually, isn't the UK already in Schengen, but opts out from the open border part? As far as I know, the UK is a member for the purpose of police cooperation...

It's a moot point now, but if Scotland and Ireland declared willingness to join Schengen, the rUK would probably be forced to follow.

For what it's worth above, I find the completely open border with San Marino to be absurd. Customs controls are rigorously carried out on the Eastern EU border, but controls are minimal on the IT/RSM border. How does that work? It's even stranger when you consider that both San Marino and Andorra are in a Customs union with the EU, but one has strict controls and the other is minimal.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 07:02 PM   #11399
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Where are you from? You clearly don't know anything about EU, Italy, St Marino and the Schengen treaty...
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Old September 20th, 2014, 07:20 PM   #11400
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Where are you from? You clearly don't know anything about EU, Italy, St Marino and the Schengen treaty...
Clearly you don't either...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenge..._with_opt-outs

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The UK formally requested to participate in certain provisions of the Schengen acquis – Title III relating to Police Security and Judicial Cooperation – in 1999, and this request was approved by the Council of the European Union on 29 May 2000.[40] The United Kingdom's formal participation in the previously approved areas of cooperation was put into effect by a 2004 Council decision that came into effect on 1 January 2005.
So the UK is a member of Schengen to a limited degree, as Schengen is not just about the open borders.

San Marino is not a member of Schengen, so there should be some monitoring of the border in a similar way to Andorra. Customs controls should be applied there, even if it's just on the same basis as the Swiss and Norwegian declarations.

San Marino isn't a signatory to Schengen and hasn't negotiated anything with the EU in that respect, so the lack of controls are quite odd. It seems that goods destined for San Marino are subject to the usual paperwork, so why are there no facilities to control travellers?

Googling, it seems that San Marino conducts Customs checks when the goods arrive at an authorised freight forwarders. So that covers the lack of controls at the border for goods, but what about individuals?
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