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Old September 20th, 2014, 07:31 PM   #11401
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Clearly you don't either...
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So the UK is a member of Schengen to a limited degree, as Schengen is not just about the open borders.
UK is certainly not a member of Schengen. You are confusing Schengen with EU membership. Schengen is all about open borders.

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San Marino is not a member of Schengen, so there should be some monitoring of the border in a similar way to Andorra. Customs controls should be applied there, even if it's just on the same basis as the Swiss and Norwegian declarations.
San Marino is a country within Italy that has open borders as a lot of its interests are protected by Italy. Checks are carried out randomly by Guardia di Finanza and San Marino's Guardia di Rocca.

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San Marino isn't a signatory to Schengen and hasn't negotiated anything with the EU in that respect, so the lack of controls are quite odd. It seems that goods destined for San Marino are subject to the usual paperwork, so why are there no facilities to control travellers?
Its interests are protected by Italy.

Where are you from?

Edit: You habe ninja-edited the above post, which makes having a discussion with you impossible...
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Old September 20th, 2014, 08:24 PM   #11402
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road uk I dont think this fella has any idea about eu so dont worry too much about it....... come te stevenage te have a beer or you can stop in luton even better...
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Old September 20th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #11403
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Serious question: Does it actually matter, practically speaking, what San Marino does? Since it's only accessible through Italy (unless it has an airport - does it?) it's not a gap in the outer boundary of Schengen, so to speak.

Although I'm not clear why the same wouldn't be true of Andorra.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #11404
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Not really. There is no duty on alcohol, parfume and tobacco in San Marino, so I can only imagine that smuggling is widespread with these lacks border controls. But that's Italy's responsibility if they wish to miss out on revenue like that. Other than that, it doesn't matter at all.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 11:24 PM   #11405
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Serious question: Does it actually matter, practically speaking, what San Marino does? Since it's only accessible through Italy (unless it has an airport - does it?) it's not a gap in the outer boundary of Schengen, so to speak.

Although I'm not clear why the same wouldn't be true of Andorra.
In Andorra freight will travel duty free within Spain or France and will be declared in the border.

Taxes are so low (or doesn't exist) that there will be always controls coming back to France or Spain.


But police doesn't matter on passports.

About Andorran police, they check both borders but they barely make controls.
But they have police there just in case they need to make a border close down
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Old September 24th, 2014, 03:31 PM   #11406
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Edinburgh to Zeebrugge and Lerwick to Bergen.
Btw, which company has the service from Lerwick to Bergen? Tried to look it up but found nothing, except obsolete links and search engines.
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Old September 24th, 2014, 03:42 PM   #11407
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To go with the jokes about the Scotland England border, here is a rather surprising real sign heading into England, to drive on the left

https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=55.353...156.71,,0,2.92
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Old September 24th, 2014, 05:55 PM   #11408
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To go with the jokes about the Scotland England border, here is a rather surprising real sign heading into England, to drive on the left

https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=55.353...156.71,,0,2.92
Its not really. Its placed at the end of the lay-by at Carter Bar and is to remind people that when they rejoin the main carriageway we drive on the correct side of the road in these islands. There'll be plenty of other signs like this all over the UK at major tourist traps.

What's more surprising is the icon next to the name Carter Bar on the map. Shirley Google doesn't think there's an actual bar selling alcoholic drinks!

Oh, and by the way, its not an international border crossing.
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Old September 24th, 2014, 06:02 PM   #11409
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You're making the common mistake of confusing EU (economic pact) with Schengen Treaty (free movement of people).

Switzerland and Norway are in Schengen, but not in EU. Croatia is in EU, but not in Schengen. So are Ireland and UK.

One does not automatically mean the other. However, in Scotland's business would be to join the UK-Ireland agreement, whatevet it's called, rather than Schengen, as the latter would mean a huge border between Alba and Anglia.
I'm not making any mistakes. I've never said Ireland or the UK are members of Schengen. Quite the opposite actually.
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Old September 24th, 2014, 06:05 PM   #11410
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Btw, which company has the service from Lerwick to Bergen? Tried to look it up but found nothing, except obsolete links and search engines.
You're right, they stopped it in 2007. So the nearest crossing from Scotland to the continent would be from Newcastle...
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Old September 24th, 2014, 06:12 PM   #11411
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You're right, they stopped it in 2007. So the nearest crossing from Scotland to the continent would be from North Shields...
Tidied. Bit of a bugbear with me mate. ;-)
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Old September 26th, 2014, 03:21 AM   #11412
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There seems to be a quadripoint between Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and the Islamic State.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...f_the_ISIS.svg
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Old September 26th, 2014, 03:42 AM   #11413
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LOL, it's like Baarle except with terrorists serving beheadings instead of terraces serving beer
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Old September 26th, 2014, 08:33 AM   #11414
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How on earth can you put a smiley behind that sentence????
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Old September 26th, 2014, 10:20 AM   #11415
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Black humour...
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 03:02 PM   #11416
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How on earth can you put a smiley behind that sentence????
Without it it would turn out too serious.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 04:05 PM   #11417
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How on earth can you put a smiley behind that sentence????
Oh, you were talking about Kanadzie's post, I thought you were talking about my "troll" smiley for some reason.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 05:15 PM   #11418
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Nah nah, Kanadzie.

Death, beheading, rape, violence...
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Old September 26th, 2014, 09:23 PM   #11419
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Btw, which company has the service from Lerwick to Bergen? Tried to look it up but found nothing, except obsolete links and search engines.
Nothing scheduled, although apparently it's quite possible to arrange transit for the right price.

Used to be Symril Line, but that ceased under a very black cloud (long story). P&O Northern Ferries used to run to Bergen once a week too.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 09:59 PM   #11420
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It's quite a problem that car ferries are entirely dependent by free market and not supported by any law.
Apart some basic and very used routes, like Dover-Calais or Messina-Villa San Giovanni, other lines may be subjected by cancellations due to poor ridership or bankrupt of the operating company.
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