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Old September 27th, 2014, 12:00 AM   #11421
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Or any archipelago routes, for instance
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Old September 27th, 2014, 01:01 AM   #11422
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It's quite a problem that car ferries are entirely dependent by free market and not supported by any law.
Apart some basic and very used routes, like Dover-Calais or Messina-Villa San Giovanni, other lines may be subjected by cancellations due to poor ridership or bankrupt of the operating company.
Yes, although the EU have been trying with the Motorway of the Seas concept.

I suppose if Iceland and the Faroes were in the EU, then it's likely that a Iceland-Faroes-Shetland-Denmark route would be subsidised. It's always been a great regret of mine that I didn't manage to take the Aberdeen-Lerwick-Iceland connection while it existed.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 01:25 AM   #11423
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Yes, although the EU have been trying with the Motorway of the Seas concept.

I suppose if Iceland and the Faroes were in the EU, then it's likely that a Iceland-Faroes-Shetland-Denmark route would be subsidised. It's always been a great regret of mine that I didn't manage to take the Aberdeen-Lerwick-Iceland connection while it existed.
Denmark yes, via Shetlands no. Traffic between Iceland and Scandinavia is already very low, and a link between Scotland - let alone the Shetlands would not be renable at all, however proud these Scots may be.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 01:30 AM   #11424
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Apart of Calais-Dover (and other ones in the nearby), which can be the most used ferry international routes?
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Old September 27th, 2014, 01:30 AM   #11425
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It's quite a problem that car ferries are entirely dependent by free market and not supported by any law.
Apart some basic and very used routes, like Dover-Calais or Messina-Villa San Giovanni, other lines may be subjected by cancellations due to poor ridership or bankrupt of the operating company.
My all-time favourite Dover-Calais operator SeaFrance has gone bust three years ago. I am still upset about that. It was nice to have a no-nonsense French reliable company on that route in the middle of all that British health and safety malarky. All channel routes are run by Brits only now, with their hard hats, high viz jackets and safety shoes, and a million safety instructions... (caution, hot water from tap may result in blisters)
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Old September 27th, 2014, 01:33 AM   #11426
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Apart of Calais-Dover (and other ones in the nearby), which can be the most used ferry international routes?
Algeciras-Tangiers?
Helsingor-Helsingborg?
Stockholm-Helsinki?
Puttgarden-Roedbyhavn?
Ancona to Greece?
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Old September 27th, 2014, 04:07 AM   #11427
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Nah nah, Kanadzie.

Death, beheading, rape, violence...
It's too OT but I just can't get these guys... I can understand wanting to go and fight for some noble cause if you're young and hot blooded, Liberte Egalite Fraternite or whatever, but out there they're like, "yeah let's go do some beheadings!" and think its great, it's just so totally batshit insane how can you react...
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Old September 27th, 2014, 10:10 AM   #11428
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Apart of Calais-Dover (and other ones in the nearby), which can be the most used ferry international routes?
For passengers, I suppose Hong Kong-China would count, Or Macau-China.

In Europe, Tallinn-Helsinki must be one of the busiest around.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 10:21 AM   #11429
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Algeciras-Tangiers?
Helsingor-Helsingborg?
Stockholm-Helsinki?
Puttgarden-Roedbyhavn?
Ancona to Greece?
Rostock-Gedser
Rostock-Trelleborg
Stockholm-Turku
Helsinki-Tallinn
Ancora-Zadar
Brindisi-Igoumenitsa
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Old September 27th, 2014, 10:24 AM   #11430
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For passengers, I suppose Hong Kong-China would count, Or Macau-China.

In Europe, Tallinn-Helsinki must be one of the busiest around.
What about Singapore-Sumatra or Japan-S.Korea ?
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 12:52 PM   #11431
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Rostock-Gedser Rostock-Trelleborg Stockholm-Turku Helsinki-Tallinn Ancora-Zadar Brindisi-Igoumenitsa
Ancona - Split is stronger route than Ancona - Zadar. However I find then quite silly comparing to other mentioned here.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 12:55 PM   #11432
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I always use Ancona-Patras when going to Athens.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 06:15 PM   #11433
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Stockholm-Helsinki?
Stockholm-Turku is more used than Stockholm-Helsinki, when speaking about actual transport.

The routes have a little different customer segments. When talking about people actually travelling from one country to another (and continuing travelling in that another country) Stockholm-Turku is more popular, since it is faster and cheaper.

Then again, there are people to whom the ship is more important than the destination to which it sails. The Helsinki route has a larger share of cruise passengers than the Turku route.

The shorter distance between Stockholm and Turku allows the ships to make a return trip in 24 hours. Thus a cruise Stockholm-Turku-Stockholm (or v.v.) includes one night spent aboard, Stockholm-Helsinki-Stockholm (or v.v.) includes two and is of course a little more expensive.

The leading passenger ship services on these routes are provided by TallinkSilja and Viking Line (also known as "the white ships" and "the red ships" respectively). The ships sail right following each other on both routes. On the Turku route there are two daily departures on each of them in each direction, on the Helsinki route only one. In addition to these, there are also some freight-only services on the Turku route.

Cruises on the Helsinki route also allow the passengers to spend a day (or well, 5 or 6 hours) in the destination city; on the Turku route they do not, unless the passenger returns on an another ship. To cruise passengers, given the very nature of such cruises, this is often unpleasant since the arrival is quite early.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 06:16 PM   #11434
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Google just fed me an ad for ferries to Nova Scotia. Presumably (I didn't click on it) from Portland and/or Bar Harbor, Maine.
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What I need, because I hate flying, is a ferry from Philadelphia or New York to Le Havre or Ostend or....

I know, keep dreaming.
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You could just hop from Bremen to New York on a boat of BMW's or something, surely they are nice enough to spend the trip inside, kostenlos!

I wonder what they do with those auto-transport ships though... I would imagine the number of cars of the EU going to US to greatly exceed the flow the other way...
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They were on about a tunnel and bullet train between Bristol, UK and NYC once...
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Old September 27th, 2014, 07:10 PM   #11438
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Stockholm-Turku is more used than Stockholm-Helsinki, when speaking about actual transport.

The routes have a little different customer segments. When talking about people actually travelling from one country to another (and continuing travelling in that another country) Stockholm-Turku is more popular, since it is faster and cheaper.

Then again, there are people to whom the ship is more important than the destination to which it sails. The Helsinki route has a larger share of cruise passengers than the Turku route.

The shorter distance between Stockholm and Turku allows the ships to make a return trip in 24 hours. Thus a cruise Stockholm-Turku-Stockholm (or v.v.) includes one night spent aboard, Stockholm-Helsinki-Stockholm (or v.v.) includes two and is of course a little more expensive.

The leading passenger ship services on these routes are provided by TallinkSilja and Viking Line (also known as "the white ships" and "the red ships" respectively). The ships sail right following each other on both routes. On the Turku route there are two daily departures on each of them in each direction, on the Helsinki route only one. In addition to these, there are also some freight-only services on the Turku route.

Cruises on the Helsinki route also allow the passengers to spend a day (or well, 5 or 6 hours) in the destination city; on the Turku route they do not, unless the passenger returns on an another ship. To cruise passengers, given the very nature of such cruises, this is often unpleasant since the arrival is quite early.
The Viking Line ship between Stockholm and Helsinki is known in the internet as the "F***ing Boat" because of the many parties with booze and hot girls. Some people take that ship only for that reason, and this happens also because alchool is duty-free on ships.
Of course, it causes problems with drunk truck drivers who depart after a night on the ferry.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 07:29 PM   #11439
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I always use Silja Line between Stockholm and Helsinki. That's where I met my wife...
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i have will never understand how people are afraid of flying, but not of sailing.
for me a 7-days transatlantic sailing trip would be real adrenaline adventure. not too comfortable though.
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