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Old October 31st, 2014, 03:34 PM   #11541
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I don't know about other EU nations, but I have been told that the Dutch are sending in ships to help the Italians patroling the area.
All I know is that we are having big problems with Malta. They refuse to patrol the area officially under their surveillance, and refuse to rescue any immigrant ship, so we (Italians) have to work for us and for them too.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 03:43 PM   #11542
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This is one of the few times that I wish the EU would step in, because this a problem that really concerns us all...
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Old October 31st, 2014, 03:46 PM   #11543
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Illegal immigrants should be returned to their home countries at the expense of EU budget. Italy, Malta or Spain are put in awkward position and other Schengen members should help OR we face the fall of Schengen.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 03:57 PM   #11544
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They should not be returned just like hat. Every refugee has the right to claim asylum or apply for a working visa, and have their cases reviewed by a committee. Just returning them is pointless because they'll only risk their lives to try and come back.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 04:11 PM   #11545
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They won't risk it if they know that there is no chance for them to stay in Europe. There are legal ways to enter, live and work in Schengen area.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 04:13 PM   #11546
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Not mentioning the fact that not everyone is entitled to even ask for asylum. You can if you're from, say, Syria, but not from Tunisia or Morocco. It's often very hard to know where people come from, because they have no documents, so you have to take care of them anyway.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 04:15 PM   #11547
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They won't risk it if they know that there is no chance for them to stay in Europe. There are legal ways to enter, live and work in Schengen area.
They will...
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Old October 31st, 2014, 04:49 PM   #11548
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Well, the chances that they will try again is much lower. Countries will exit Schengen if this problem wont be properly addressed.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 05:26 PM   #11549
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Says who?
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:00 PM   #11550
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Psst. Been to Roadside Rest lately?
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:03 PM   #11551
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Well, the chances that they will try again is much lower. Countries will exit Schengen if this problem wont be properly addressed.
There is now way that some countries will exit Schengen,after a lot of work they putt to enter in it.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:06 PM   #11552
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Psst. Been to Roadside Rest lately?
I didn't for a while up until today. Just got back from a road trip.

I'll try and be there a bit more often because the crowd you started to hang out with concerns me a little
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Old October 31st, 2014, 06:39 PM   #11553
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They should not be returned just like hat. Every refugee has the right to claim asylum or apply for a working visa, and have their cases reviewed by a committee. Just returning them is pointless because they'll only risk their lives to try and come back.
According to the Italian law, a non-EU citizen can't came here with a working visa if (s)he has not already a job contract in Italy.
One has to get a touristic Schengen visa, go to Italy and stipulate the job contract, go back home, and finally apply for a working visa with the job contract already in hand.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 12:53 AM   #11554
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Schengen sucks. It's good for illegal immigrants and criminals. Every border control gives many catches. long queues at the border is scaremongering of Europhiles. We have a customs-union, so only control of persons suffices. Checked bordes give more secure countries. I hope it will end soon.
If you have no Customs barriers, there's not much point in having police checks. Schengen (if implemented properly) is actually far more secure, because the police have the right to conduct border controls absolutely anywhere within Schengen. I've seen border controls in Poznan train station before, with anyone looking noticeably Russian or non-white being targeted.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 01:09 AM   #11555
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I haven't seen any border crossing on the last two pages...
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Old November 1st, 2014, 02:57 AM   #11556
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If you have no Customs barriers, there's not much point in having police checks. Schengen (if implemented properly) is actually far more secure, because the police have the right to conduct border controls absolutely anywhere within Schengen. I've seen border controls in Poznan train station before, with anyone looking noticeably Russian or non-white being targeted.
Is that sort of targeting considered acceptable?

(Heck, I'm entirely Polish by ancestry, as far as I know, so I suppose I'd look like I had more right to be in Poznan than a non-Pole who was living there legitimately....)
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I haven't seen any border crossing on the last two pages...
That's 'cause the entire Schengen area can be considered a border! :-)
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Old November 1st, 2014, 06:02 AM   #11558
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Here is Pettigo, Counties Donegal and Fermanagh:

Photo taken by dmacker42:

The Bridge behind the pub is the border.

[/url]Pettigo 8 by dmacker42, on Flickr

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The poles are on the Fermanagh side of another smaller bridge.

Pettigoe, Co. Fermanagh by Ynys Éire, on Flickr

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A Republic directional sign and a British National Speed Limit sign, on the other sign there is a 50km/h sign. The sign for Castlederg looks unoffical and is misspelt.

[/url]A flavour of Italy in the heart of Tyrone? by dr_urbanus (Martin), on Flickr[/IMG]
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Old November 1st, 2014, 02:37 PM   #11559
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All I know is that we are having big problems with Malta. They refuse to patrol the area officially under their surveillance, and refuse to rescue any immigrant ship, so we (Italians) have to work for us and for them too.
I can fully understand Malta, even if their actions might be a breach of EU regulations. They put national interests first. Brussels bureaucrats and Frontex officials must deal with the reality that Malta is way too small to admit a large and continuous stream of illegal immigrants.

I could also understand Italy if they introduced an Australian-style coast protection (be it with or without EU approval).

Anyway, here's a less problematic - completely unmarked - border:
turning right here, one enters San Marino from Italy.
I noticed it only b/c the GPS told me so ...



... and looking back - no sign for Italy either:

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Old November 1st, 2014, 02:57 PM   #11560
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I can fully understand Malta, even if their actions might be a breach of EU regulations. They put national interests first.
They can't put the foot in two shoes, getting all the advantages of being in the EU and none of the problems.
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