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Old November 17th, 2014, 01:07 PM   #11661
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In June, I crossed this small border crossing by car:

https://www.google.hu/maps/place/48%...!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

There are no signs about this border on both sides, but you can cross it by car. On Czech side it is forbidden for trucks to use it.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 01:08 PM   #11662
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Maybe Trieste also?
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Old November 17th, 2014, 01:14 PM   #11663
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Perhaps, but Italy borders with France, Switzerland and Austria are not busiest than Trieste?
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Old November 17th, 2014, 01:17 PM   #11664
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Perhaps, but Italy borders with France, Switzerland and Austria are not busiest than Trieste?
Switzerland, possibly. Austria, don't think so. France, not by a long shot.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 01:54 PM   #11665
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Are there Triestians who go through Slovenia to other parts of Italy?

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Old November 17th, 2014, 02:47 PM   #11666
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Why would they do that?

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Maybe Trieste also?
Nah, AADT at Fernetti/Fernetiči was 20,892 vpd last year.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 02:57 PM   #11667
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Is there a place in Europe where you've got a major city very close to a border and areas on the other side of the border that could be considered suburbs of that city, so that you'd have substantial daily commuting? I mean, I know where Basel and Geneva and Aachen and Maastricht are, but are they large enough to generate the sort of traffic I'm talking about?

Also, do countries keep traffic counts at intra-Schengen borders?
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Old November 17th, 2014, 03:38 PM   #11668
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Old November 17th, 2014, 03:44 PM   #11669
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Well Bratislava is that kind. Some suburbs are actually in Austria (Wolfsthal and Kittsee) and Hungary (Rajka, Bezenye, Dunakiliti). But the strength of the process is still small. The major problem is also the inhabitants registration since overwhelming majority of them does not change their residence on ID. They are statistically inhabitants of Bratislava.

The process of such foreign suburbanization is still slow and weak, but it happens. The property prices basically slowly decrease with increasing distance from the core city. But due to other countries, language environment and let's say fear of border re-close, the properties price in Austria were ridiculously low comparing it with Slovak ones in comparable distance.

Fun fact: Bratislava is broken down into five districts (called Bratislava I. - V.). The investor in Rajka has built a project called Bratislava VI. Some Hungarians there were little bit scared that Slovakia had already annexed some areas

P.S. I did the research of this topic in my MSc. degree thesis.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 03:45 PM   #11670
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Is there a place in Europe where you've got a major city very close to a border and areas on the other side of the border that could be considered suburbs of that city, so that you'd have substantial daily commuting? I mean, I know where Basel and Geneva and Aachen and Maastricht are, but are they large enough to generate the sort of traffic I'm talking about?

Also, do countries keep traffic counts at intra-Schengen borders?
Oh yes. My favourite is Strasbourg (F) and Kehl (D). The Strasbourg public transport company are currently extending tram route D to Kehl. There's only one bridge apart from the two city's. The local Kindergarten in Kehl are looking after both French and German childeren, and the Strasbourg council are now working on a project of building a (French) housing estate on he German side of the border.




Strasbourg left, Kehl to the right:



Leaving Strasbourg, tower block is in Kehl:



Joint park:





And the tram that soon will be running to Kehl as well. At the moment the French operate a local bus route from Strasbourg to Kehl, and there's a good train link between the two centres, operated by both the German and French railway companies.

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Old November 17th, 2014, 03:56 PM   #11671
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Well Bratislava is that kind. Some suburbs are actually in Austria (Wolfsthal and Kittsee) and Hungary (Rajka, Bezenye, Dunakiliti). But the strength of the process is still small. The major problem is also the inhabitants registration since overwhelming majority of them does not change their residence on ID. They are statistically inhabitants of Bratislava.

The process of such foreign suburbanization is still slow and weak, but it happens. The property prices basically slowly decrease with increasing distance from the core city. But due to other countries, language environment and let's say fear of border re-close, the properties price in Austria were ridiculously low comparing it with Slovak ones in comparable distance.

Fun fact: Bratislava is broken down into five districts (called Bratislava I. - V.). The investor in Rajka has built a project called Bratislava VI. Some Hungarians there were little bit scared that Slovakia had already annexed some areas

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Bratislava is just too small to be the case of big commuting.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #11672
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Bratislava is just too small to be the case.
Yes, it is. But it is one of the few cases taking place between two former blocs.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 04:00 PM   #11673
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Lugano and whatever is on the Italian side, even though I don't think Lugano can be called "major city"
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Old November 17th, 2014, 04:08 PM   #11674
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Yes, it is. But it is one of the few cases taking place between two former blocs.
However there are more ppl from Bratislava coming to Vienna on daily basis, however it is not really that Bratislava is suburb of Vienna.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 04:21 PM   #11675
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Bratislava is just too small to be the case of big commuting.
That's what I was getting at: you all were talking about busiest crossings some posts back and I was thinking that if there was a point where there were hundreds of thousands of commuters crossing (and then crossing back) every day, that'd be the "winner." Sort of a European equivalent of the New York-New Jersey border, or at least the New Jersey-Pennsylvania border in the Philadelphia area....
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However there are more ppl from Bratislava coming to Vienna on daily basis, however it is not really that Bratislava is suburb of Vienna.
Where are you from? Just wondering.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #11677
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Is there a place in Europe where you've got a major city very close to a border and areas on the other side of the border that could be considered suburbs of that city, so that you'd have substantial daily commuting? I mean, I know where Basel and Geneva and Aachen and Maastricht are, but are they large enough to generate the sort of traffic I'm talking about?

Also, do countries keep traffic counts at intra-Schengen borders?


Flensburg, Germany has the local citybus nr 1 that starts in Kruså, DK. Dont expect the driver to speak danish or that you can pay with danish currency.


German registered local bus going to Sönderborg, DK.


Commuter Buss No 999 Malmö, Sweden-Copenhagen, Denmark


Local bus Haparanda-Tornio Sweden-Finland. Not considered major cities, but this bus could be used by possible commuters.

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Old November 17th, 2014, 04:46 PM   #11678
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Well I can't wait till ASEAN have an agreement like EU soon... At least we can clear the stupid bus crap the politicians are giving now...
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Old November 17th, 2014, 04:48 PM   #11679
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How about the Lille area?
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Old November 17th, 2014, 05:20 PM   #11680
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Is there a place in Europe where you've got a major city very close to a border and areas on the other side of the border that could be considered suburbs of that city, so that you'd have substantial daily commuting?
Yep, Monaco and its French suburbs, of course !

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Here's a pic I took of the Franco-Monegasque border (between Fontvieille (Monaco, MC) and Cap d'Ail (Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France)).
The area was reclaimed from the sea in the 70s.

The daily cross-border commuters from France and Italy to Monaco are approx. 40,000 (i.e. more than the entire Monaco's population)
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