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Old December 6th, 2014, 01:37 AM   #11861
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Taken from the same page, Somport pass




Picture is spotted in Spain and looking towards France.

As it can be seen, there are several crosses just close to the border
https://www.google.es/maps/place/Hot...4c0e03d8238f70

(that one in the picture it the former road that crosses a ski resort and today, main road avoid it)
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Old December 6th, 2014, 05:42 AM   #11862
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That could make some very nice apocalypse budget movie if we want or a Chernobyl and Pyiapat like documentaries in 30 years
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Old December 6th, 2014, 12:42 PM   #11863
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I don't know why... but it kind of fascinates me... Hegyeshalom - Nickeldorf in particular. It was one of the most important and perhaps most desired-to-be-crossed border. And the current ruins, broken windows, rusty columns, silence and peace are the evidence, the strange age is finally over.
Yes, it's absolutely surreal to visit some of these facilities. For instance, they still use the old Slovak buildings at Rajka (sorry, don't know the name on the Slovak side...) for the truck tolling system, and there's some incredibly creepy buffet still in operation there. Yet the place is more or less empty - you can see how busy it would have been a mere 10 years ago, but now, dead.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 05:26 PM   #11864
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I crossed this one in 2012, it looked exactly like that. I wonder why they don't remove them and make the road free-flow through the border. I like European borders marked only with a blue sign with stars and another one with the general speed limits.
It's complex. In 2007 Austria was not quite happy about Hungary entering Schengen. Many roads that connected A-H were blocked by Austrian authorities. And completely removing border crossing stations like Hegyeshalom-Nickelsdorf was against Austrian intentions. They might have hoped the border will be closed, or at least controlled again soon.
And even Hungary had doubts. Of course we were happy about open borders but many people and even politicians thought it was possible to change again, the border might be controlled again.
7 years passed, Austria full of Hungarians, in Eastern Austria it is hard to find a restaurant where the waiter is not Hungarian, even in Vienna you have good chances in fast food restaurants even if you cant' speak a single word German. Trains from Sopron (Hungary) to Vienna ar full of daily commuters. Yes, we all now thing can change again, but the intention for / fear of making the border controlled again soon passed away. So it's time for removing all those old, abandoned buildings.
Hungary has the clear intention to do it in 2015 in Hegyeshalom and probably in every border crossing.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 05:36 PM   #11865
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I think some buildings should be preserved. Memorials are important to show younger generations what freedeom means.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 05:54 PM   #11866
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Old December 6th, 2014, 05:57 PM   #11867
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Yes,but that old building reminds old people how hard it was to cross that border.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 06:00 PM   #11868
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Soon there won't be a lot of people left who will remember. But they'll know.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 06:01 PM   #11869
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Yes, older people remember bad times. Preserving buildings as memorial means renovate them etcetera so that they look better. Less scary.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 07:17 PM   #11870
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So why didn't they leave blown up buildings all over Rotterdam to remind people who didn't see it?
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Old December 6th, 2014, 08:08 PM   #11871
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Because nobody wants to live in them.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 08:22 PM   #11872
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I don't know...does a run-of-the-mill border crossing* have the same significance for "freedom" as the Berlin Wall does?

*with the possible exception of facilities that used to be part of the Iron Curtain
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Old December 6th, 2014, 08:25 PM   #11873
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Churchill supposedly suggested not rebuilding Ieper/Ypres*, leaving the ruins as a reminder.

*Sorry, Flemings...it really is known in English as Ypres, at least in historical contexts. Sometimes pronounced "wipers"!
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I don't know...does a run-of-the-mill border crossing* have the same significance for "freedom" as the Berlin Wall does?
Berlin is far away* from Bratislava, Vienna and Budapest... Run-of-the-mill = 08/15? Yes, Berlin Wall is a common/everyday building too. The grey concrete looks terrible.

*European distance, not American...
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Old December 6th, 2014, 08:37 PM   #11875
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I don't feel "un-free" at having to stop for a few minutes and answer a few questions when crossing into, or out of, Canada. Irritated, yes. But comparing Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle to Checkpoint Charlie seems...exaggerated.

The Austro-Hungarian border...was part of the Iron Curtain, but I'd think a pre-1989 checkpoint with a bit of barbed wire and an appropriate exhibit would be a better memorial than an empty building dating to the awful, freedom-infringing days when you had to - gasp - show your passport and change currencies between Tournai and Lille.
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Old December 6th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #11876
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Because nobody wants to live in them.
And who lives in abandoned border crossing booths? That's the whole point, if we justify leaving derelict falling apart border crossing infrastructure as a reminder of bad times behind us, why not leave reminders of war as well? Some cities do, there is that church in Berlin and that building in Hiroshima, but mostly cities don't do that.
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And who lives in abandoned border crossing booths? That's the whole point, if we justify leaving derelict falling apart border crossing infrastructure as a reminder of bad times behind us, why not leave reminders of war as well? Some cities do, there is that church in Berlin and that building in Hiroshima, but mostly cities don't do that.
And Malaysia have the stupid mega ad board at the malaysia-singapore causeway at the former checkpoint in the city of Johor Bahru. (The new one is on the hill above Johor Bahru called Iskandar CIQ.)
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Old December 7th, 2014, 07:25 AM   #11878
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And who lives in abandoned border crossing booths? That's the whole point, if we justify leaving derelict falling apart border crossing infrastructure as a reminder of bad times behind us, why not leave reminders of war as well? Some cities do, there is that church in Berlin and that building in Hiroshima, but mostly cities don't do that.
War monuments are scattered all over Rotterdam, so people will always know. An abandoned border station - well if it's not in the way they could turn it into a museum or something. On the former Germany-Germany border they've got many little reminders still in tact. These big border stations are turned into motorway service areas now, but you still see the watch towers and loads of other little reminders, and I think they'll leave them there.















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Old December 7th, 2014, 01:06 PM   #11879
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Here, near Valtice, on Czech republic - Austria border, they made a msueum of the iron curtain, using the former border staton infrastructure:

https://www.google.it/maps/@48.73841...oPJVTY2nhA!2e0
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Old December 7th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #11880
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What a great example of the famous German precision: "Here Germany and Europe were divided until the 18th November 1989 at 6 o'clock"
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