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Old January 11th, 2015, 11:39 PM   #12141
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on topic: border crossings where one changes the time-zone. are there usually some signs that warn about adjusting the time?
I think that came up, up-thread. For the Finnish-Swedish border, if memory serves. And the answer was no. (They could easily put the time zone on the border signs.... clock symbol and UTC+1 or something.)

Here, they do show time zones. Also on road maps. But we have plenty of cases where the time changes within a state. (And there we veer off-topic again. )
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Old January 11th, 2015, 11:41 PM   #12142
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i have just been wondering whether you would notice this thing (that could make your day )

on topic: border crossings where one changes the time-zone. are there usually some signs that warn about adjusting the time?
Nothing of the sort between France and UK at the Eurotunnel terminal.
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Old January 11th, 2015, 11:42 PM   #12143
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I have not seen such sign on European roads. Btw. beautiful topic fusion.
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Old January 11th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #12144
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Never seen anything on the Spanish Portuguese border. On the ferry between Sweden and Finland they keep the point of departure time.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 12:07 AM   #12145
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I don't remember anything on the Spanish-Portuguese border either. And I've been to Portugal only once and for a few hours, but at least I've been there!

BTW, due to the Chinese weird rules that put all of the country in the same time zone, their border with Afghanistan is the biggest time gap in existence: Three and a half hours!

PS: for me the Canaries is in any time zone except the one they actually are \/\/
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Old January 12th, 2015, 12:10 AM   #12146
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Never seen anything on the Spanish Portuguese border. On the ferry between Sweden and Finland they keep the point of departure time.
In the Spanish-Portuguese borders they do not point that time is different. Only taking a handout train schedules they will say that "always local times".

By plane, local times as in any world corner.

And... neither to Morocco, time advices are given.


BTW, Canary islands have the Irish, UK and Portuguese time. In a radio it is quite often to hear "it is ten o'clock, nine in Canaries" or so... Nowadays with new technology they are able to put TV ads about a program or movie on TV saying day and time and... ads in Canary offer always local time (this is, a movie at 22:00 in mainland will be offered as 21:00 in Canary islands and all ads will say 21:00 without saying that Canary time)
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Old January 12th, 2015, 12:30 AM   #12147
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I don't remember any signs on the Albanian-Greece or Macedonian-Greece border.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 01:13 AM   #12148
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No signs on the Polish-Ukrainian border too. Speaking of time, has anyone ever crossed a border (illegally) outside of the normal opening hours? I could never figure out what was stopping people crossing many 'tourist' border crossings after hours...
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Old January 12th, 2015, 01:19 AM   #12149
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A long time ago I remember that any road map had the schedule for all border pass with the five boundary countries.

Main ones opened 24/7 but those with less traffic could close while night. I remember that in my region, the Somport pass was always opened but the other two ones closed on nigth. One of them had different schedules for each season. Maybe four or five different per year and people living there said it was a nightmare.


Nowadays all border booths (this is, off Schengen area) open 24/7
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Old January 12th, 2015, 01:42 AM   #12150
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Seriously, I don't give a damn about making your work easy. Italian ID card is enough to get to UK per EU agreements, so shut the bleep up and let me in.




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I also noticed this at Birmingham Airport after I'd got of a flight from Porto. I noticed that all the Portuguese people that presented ID cards were asked if they had a passport, then were told, in a slightly harsh tone, that ID cards weren't very good and that passports were better. One of the passport control officers literally waved some woman's ID card in her face, saying 'these aren't good'.
There were also signs asking people who wanted to through passport control with ID cards to get their boarding cards to quicker processing.
I've never seen anyone complaining at Heathrow.

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BTW, Canary islands have the Irish, UK and Portuguese time. In a radio it is quite often to hear "it is ten o'clock, nine in Canaries" or so... Nowadays with new technology they are able to put TV ads about a program or movie on TV saying day and time and... ads in Canary offer always local time (this is, a movie at 22:00 in mainland will be offered as 21:00 in Canary islands and all ads will say 21:00 without saying that Canary time)
Yeah, you get that on the Portuguese radio, 'it's 7 o'clock on the Continent and in the Azores, 6 o'clock in Madeira' or something.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 01:42 AM   #12151
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Apart from the Swiss border with other countries for vehicles carrying goods. They still need to be cleared at customs as Switzerland is not in the EU, even though it has signed up for Schengen. Same goes for Norway I think...
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Old January 12th, 2015, 01:46 AM   #12152
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Apart from the Swiss border with other countries for vehicles carrying goods. They still need to be cleared at customs as Switzerland is not in the EU, even though it has signed up for Schengen. Same goes for Norway I think...
What do you have to declare, goods over a certain value?
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Old January 12th, 2015, 01:47 AM   #12153
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What do you have to declare, goods over a certain value?
All commercial goods in general. Even when in transit.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 02:33 AM   #12154
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Yeah, you get that on the Portuguese radio, 'it's 7 o'clock on the Continent and in the Azores, 6 o'clock in Madeira' or something.
It would be 7 on the Continent and in Madeira, 6 in the Azores, surely.
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Yes you are quite right .
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Old January 12th, 2015, 03:02 AM   #12156
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It would be 7 on the Continent and in Madeira, 6 in the Azores, surely.
Does this make Portugal the smallest country with more than one time zone?
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And the Netherlands.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 06:45 AM   #12158
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Does this make Portugal the smallest country with more than one time zone?
Depends on what is the definition of "smallest": By total area, by area without waters, by mainland area, by population,...?

Denmark has 5 time zones, and Kiribati (land area 800+ sq km) three ones.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 01:51 PM   #12159
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According to ISO 8601, the date format should be YYYY-MM-DD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

That would make sense, but sadly afaik close to zero countries have changed their official format to that ISO standard.
We basques use that system, but far before iso :P
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Old January 12th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #12160
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Okay, here's a question: I know basically that the Schengen agreement closed permanent border controls among its members, and that citizens of those member states can move fairly freely (use their own national ID cards if they're asked for ID elsewhere, that sort of thing...)

I'm curious about people who aren't citizens of member states. Say, an American crossing the French-Belgian border. As a practical matter, the border controls aren't there, but does an American entering a Schengen member state officially, on paper, have the right to enter all of them once he's inside that first one?

Hope I'm making sense....
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