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Old January 16th, 2015, 04:22 AM   #12261
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If you read older posts on this thread, you'll find that crossing the Spanish-Portuguese border wasn't encouraged under Franco. So maybe it hasn't been busy all that long.
Yes I would agree with that, I doubt it was busy until relatively recently, certainly not when the two countries were dictatorships. Also the border regions are generally pretty sparsely populated. Border crossing facilities were never that great, the train from Lisbon to Madrid still takes ages, most people couldn't afford to fly.

Before the EU, especially in the 1960s, a lot of people crossed illegally to get to France, the Spanish gave up deporting them after a while.

Anyway, I just started put 'fronteira portuguesa' into Flikr, and this came up, the border between Goa and India in 1954.


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Old January 16th, 2015, 04:58 AM   #12262
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There is a whole legal industry in Canda about to get special permission for Americans convicted of drunk driving to enter Canada. President George W. Bush and Vice-president Dick Cheney needed those special permissions.

I'm not sure, but the reason for denying US entry to Canadians with drunk driving convictions is that DUI may be a felony in Canada.
It's curious because this exact thing exists in opposite sense - DUI-convicted Canadians not able to enter the USA. But, if you get a "pardon", via that industry you mention, it becomes OK. I am not sure what it is since it seems that you just need to pay an extra tax and then, it's okay.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 06:18 AM   #12263
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It's curious because this exact thing exists in opposite sense - DUI-convicted Canadians not able to enter the USA. But, if you get a "pardon", via that industry you mention, it becomes OK. I am not sure what it is since it seems that you just need to pay an extra tax and then, it's okay.
I think it takes bureaucratic paperwork and money to get that pardon.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 10:37 AM   #12264
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I've documented some of my adventures with annoying Croatian/Slovenian border guards elsewhere, but I've never had any problems on any borders. Even when the Serbian guards searched our car at Horgos, we were just laughing and joking with him the whole time (through lack of sleep...). Knowing Polish really does help - although I'm sure he thought we were absolutely insane when we kept pointing out all the possible places to hide stuff in the car. He asked me at one point what I was bringing into Hungary, and I showed him some honey from Crete and some medicine - and he looked genuinely bewildered that we didn't have any cheap booze or cigarettes. Actually - the only time I've had a problem is with the disorganised mess on the PL/UA border at Medyka. The Polish are absolutely useless - but this is well documented elsewhere.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 06:54 PM   #12265
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It is, but would that help? There is a huge population of islamistic extremists in France to begin with.
It's nonreligious.......
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Old January 16th, 2015, 07:43 PM   #12266
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There was a discussion about Andorra and Os de Civís a while ago. I took these pictures in April 2014.





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Old January 16th, 2015, 10:30 PM   #12267
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"Flought"? Flew.

Sorry, I don't like to do that. But it sounded funny.

mercy! you have already corrected it few months ago, also in my post!
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Old January 16th, 2015, 11:19 PM   #12268
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What do you think? Is revision of Schengen Agreement possible due to attacks in France?
Yes because Schengen had anything to do with Paris born and bred psychos that committed the attacks in their hometown.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 11:28 PM   #12269
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1-a) on the Slovenian side, a very serious, absolutely Soviet-style customs officer. No hello, no goodbye.
Lol I thought they reserved the attitude for Serbs but now I guess it's just part of their manual?

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explaining him details of the trip? no thanks
Well if you don't comply with legal requirements they can tell you "no thanks" on allowing you entry. Now it's different with Croatia as part of the EU but Schengen regulations clearly state that they have to ask those questions.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 11:32 PM   #12270
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It is known that one of the terrorist was in Spain several days before attack. Home office doesn't say more but it is known that he crossed twice the border.
With or without Schengen, with a valid passporf he had crossed it again

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It seems that police obviosly doesn't check at the border but they have enough information. Sometimes to avoid an attack, sometimes to investigate and avoid next ones
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Yes because Schengen had anything to do with Paris born and bred psychos that committed the attacks in their hometown.
I suppose the thinking is that it'd keep Paris-born and -bred psychos (for example) from committing attacks in Belgium or Spain or Germany?
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Lol I thought they reserved the attitude for Serbs but now I guess it's just part of their manual?



Well if you don't comply with legal requirements they can tell you "no thanks" on allowing you entry. Now it's different with Croatia as part of the EU but Schengen regulations clearly state that they have to ask those questions.
Well, as I've said on this thread, the last time I re-entered the U.S. from Canada the U.S. customs officer asked me where I was spending the night. I told him, but I really had an urge to say "I'm re-entering my own country: is that any of your business?"
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Old January 17th, 2015, 02:36 AM   #12273
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It is known that one of the terrorist was in Spain several days before attack. Home office doesn't say more but it is known that he crossed twice the border.
With or without Schengen, with a valid passporf he had crossed it again

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It seems that police obviosly doesn't check at the border but they have enough information. Sometimes to avoid an attack, sometimes to investigate and avoid next ones
The guy from the kosher market - Coulibaly? (I seem to have a mental block about remembering his name...)

It was already reported that his wife/girlfriend flew from Madrid to Istanbul on January 2. Now I heard last night (on MSNBC, an American cable news channel, I think) that they think he drove her to Madrid a few days before that and spent a few days there.
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I suppose the thinking is that it'd keep Paris-born and -bred psychos (for example) from committing attacks in Belgium or Spain or Germany?
Well yes it might but I've heard some calls from France to scrap Schengen which doesn't make much sense as a response to an attack by someone who was born in Paris.

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Well, as I've said on this thread, the last time I re-entered the U.S. from Canada the U.S. customs officer asked me where I was spending the night. I told him, but I really had an urge to say "I'm re-entering my own country: is that any of your business?"
That is quite dumb and purposeless but I think the US law allows the US customs to ask questions to US citizens for money laundering reasons etc. On the other hand Schengen regulations say that EU border police must ask non EU citizens such questions.

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It was already reported that his wife/girlfriend flew from Madrid to Istanbul on January 2. Now I heard last night (on MSNBC, an American cable news channel, I think) that they think he drove her to Madrid a few days before that and spent a few days there.
And if there was a border post since he wasn't on any wanted lists (the guy was even in the news a few years ago as one of the residents that met French president) the story would have been no different except his reconstructed itinerary would have included some 30 minute wait at some border post and that's it.
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Old January 17th, 2015, 02:54 AM   #12275
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Well yes it might but I've heard some calls from France to scrap Schengen which doesn't make much sense as a response to an attack by someone who was born in Paris.
Unfortunately - and I don't mean this condescendingly - the way it looks from here, Europe is in the same place we were in late 2001 and 2002 (and 2003 and....): expect lots of responses that don't make sense.


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And if there was a border post since he wasn't on any wanted lists (the guy was even in the news a few years ago as one of the residents that met French president) the story would have been no different except his reconstructed itinerary would have included some 30 minute wait at some border post and that's it.
I saw a report of his visit to the Élysée....

The brothers were on the U.S. "no-fly list." To what extent would European law enforcement have had access to that?
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The guy from the kosher market - Coulibaly? (I seem to have a mental block about remembering his name...)
You shouldn't.
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Old January 17th, 2015, 03:13 AM   #12277
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That is quite dumb and purposeless but I think the US law allows the US customs to ask questions to US citizens for money laundering reasons etc. On the other hand Schengen regulations say that EU border police must ask non EU citizens such questions.
I believe the question is "are you travelling with more than ten thousand dollars?"

I'm not sure what happens if you say yes, I'm not so lucky
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Le Pen wants to scrap Schengen, she said yesterday that it is the paradise for the terrorists.
But for now i didn't hear France suspended for security reasons the treaty.
The French police at Frejus caught 2 suspected from Belgium, when they got the info from Belgian authorities. Anyway most of the EU countries signed the Prum Convention where police of members countries exchange info about suspected persons of terrorism, fingerprints and vehicle registration. Only UK doesn't participate. So what we need is more cooperation among the police and secret services of member states. Maybe a kind of European FBI would be great but again it would mean giving more powers to the "disliked" EU.
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Europe is in the same place we were in late 2001 and 2002 (and 2003 and....)
Hysteria... Terrorists achieved their aim...........
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Old January 17th, 2015, 12:16 PM   #12280
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Le Pen wants to scrap Schengen, she said yesterday that it is the paradise for the terrorists.
It would make sense if a Polish nationalist politician said this something like "protect us from paradise for the terrorists, the suburbs of Paris" but how would closing borders with Germany and further with Poland help France in this case, I would really like journalists to press her hard to answer that question. I am not sure what is the state of journalism in France? Do they just write down whatever nonsense someone gives as a statement or do they ask tough questions?
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