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Old January 19th, 2015, 09:47 PM   #12361
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Ukrainians fleeing to Poland, Polish-Ukrainian border - NOV 2014
I just found this on the net and I don't know whether it is entertaining or simply Russian propaganda....

This is a normal situation for many years on a pedestrian border crossing in Medyka.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 01:17 AM   #12362
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Medyka is a disgrace. They built the new passenger terminal a few years ago, and cleverly built it almost exactly on the borderline. Therefore, control of the queue is down to the Ukrainians, who have their own control building much further away from the border. The Polish passenger terminal is built with strong, sturdy revolving doors, so there's absolutely no way to "crash" the terminal (like what happened a few times in the old one). They were forced to put the old terminal into action for EU citizens, but in practice, it's still a complete mess there. People are forced to queue for hours in the open air, and what the video shows is just a small example of how terrible it is there. It's an absolute disgrace - Poland could easily have built the passenger terminal further back from the border with a fully enclosed walkway - but no, they chose to build it on the border line entirely on purpose. It's openly admitted by the Polish Border Guard that this was intentional - if the queue gets unruly, then Ukraine has to deal with it, not Poland. The passenger terminal itself is absolutely unfit for purpose - it only has three 'lanes' - which is nowhere near enough to deal with the amount of foot passenger traffic there. EU citizens have access to a further two (I think) - but the situation is such that it's impossible for EU citizens to get there due to the absolute lack of queue management. Ugh.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 10:01 AM   #12363
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The Åland Island is a autonomous region, let them do what they want to.. Where is the problem?
They had it granted to them, try to live with it man. It's not like they want to annoy you when making those laws, it's just the way they prefer.
The map that MattiG referred to was published on the mainland. I understand that they have right to have their own (or Swedish) design of traffic signs, but they have no right to tell the mainland what kind of maps to print.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 10:07 AM   #12364
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Ok with the language, but the style of traffic signs is usually the same in the whole country regardeless the language spoken.
Also Faroese signs look more Icelandic than Danish. (Never visited the Faroes or Iceland, just seen pics on SSC )
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Old January 20th, 2015, 08:25 PM   #12365
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Medyka is a disgrace. They built the new passenger terminal a few years ago, and cleverly built it almost exactly on the borderline. Therefore, control of the queue is down to the Ukrainians, who have their own control building much further away from the border. The Polish passenger terminal is built with strong, sturdy revolving doors, so there's absolutely no way to "crash" the terminal (like what happened a few times in the old one). They were forced to put the old terminal into action for EU citizens, but in practice, it's still a complete mess there. People are forced to queue for hours in the open air, and what the video shows is just a small example of how terrible it is there. It's an absolute disgrace - Poland could easily have built the passenger terminal further back from the border with a fully enclosed walkway - but no, they chose to build it on the border line entirely on purpose. It's openly admitted by the Polish Border Guard that this was intentional - if the queue gets unruly, then Ukraine has to deal with it, not Poland. The passenger terminal itself is absolutely unfit for purpose - it only has three 'lanes' - which is nowhere near enough to deal with the amount of foot passenger traffic there. EU citizens have access to a further two (I think) - but the situation is such that it's impossible for EU citizens to get there due to the absolute lack of queue management. Ugh.
Still no common border control PL/UA??? When I went by car in 2005, the only common border control point was in Zosin/Ustyluh, which was why I had chosen it. Didn't that change since then?
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Old January 20th, 2015, 08:56 PM   #12366
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Still no common border control PL/UA??? When I went by car in 2005, the only common border control point was in Zosin/Ustyluh, which was why I had chosen it. Didn't that change since then?
There are common controls on the newly opened crossings in Dołhobyczów and Budomierz.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 09:22 PM   #12367
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Still no common border control PL/UA??? When I went by car in 2005, the only common border control point was in Zosin/Ustyluh, which was why I had chosen it. Didn't that change since then?
Kroscienko is also a common border control. But still quite a few have separated controls, despite the success of Euro 2012 and the 'one stop' control. But that's not the only issue - there are also still way too few crossing points. At a minimum, there should be pedestrian crossings at Malhowice, Wolosate and in Czarna. Kroscienko should also be opened up for pedestrian use - since the cancellation of cross-border trains there, the existing train border crossing facility could easily be used as a pedestrian border crossing with some minor changes. In particular, Wolosate is screaming out for being opened to pedestrians - the road is in place, and there is history of it being opened on special occasions. It doesn't even require anything special - just the will of the Poles and Ukrainians to staff it. The PL-CZ/D/SK borders functioned for years with small tourist crossings, even with huge tax differences between PL/D - why can't PL/UA work the same way?
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Old January 21st, 2015, 05:37 PM   #12368
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Medyka is a disgrace. [...] It's openly admitted by the Polish Border Guard that this was intentional - if the queue gets unruly, then Ukraine has to deal with it, not Poland. .


Remind me please which nationality queues there, and which has to deal with the possibly "unruly" queue ?
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Old January 21st, 2015, 08:59 PM   #12369
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Remind me please which nationality queues there, and which has to deal with the possibly "unruly" queue ?
Actually, because of the way that the pedestrian terminal is designed, it impacts everyone. Anyway, anyone crossing the border has the right to be treated in a civilised and humane way - which the current solution is not. I remember the old (and now reopened) passenger terminal was exactly the same - men were often allowed through first, the queue was often treated as "all passports" with the EU line ignored, and so on. Medyka always has been a total disgrace - and the new passenger terminal confirms that. The most sensible solution would have been to build a long building with clear separation between EU and "All Passports", then have one big room for processing both inbound and outbound travellers. The room should have 10-12 "stations" - so during quiet times, it would be possible to have 1 window open in each direction, while busy times could see 9-11 windows open in the direction of Poland and 1 window open towards Ukraine. A simple technological solution (take a ticket at the entrance to the big long building) would guarantee priority for EU citizens. The new terminal does a great job of "guarding", but it does a dreadful job of providing humane conditions for travellers.
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Old January 21st, 2015, 11:47 PM   #12370
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 11:20 PM   #12371
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 11:49 PM   #12372
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Old January 24th, 2015, 01:43 PM   #12373
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Old January 24th, 2015, 01:54 PM   #12374
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There aren't many airports so closed to a border. There are someones... and this is one of those.
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Old January 24th, 2015, 01:59 PM   #12375
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Old January 24th, 2015, 02:12 PM   #12376
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There aren't many airports so closed to a border. There are someones... and this is one of those.
Geneve, Portorož, Basel, Baden-Baden, Salzburg, these are some european that i have in my mind.
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Old January 24th, 2015, 02:38 PM   #12377
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Geneve, Portorož, Basel, Baden-Baden, Salzburg, these are some european that i have in my mind.
Visiting Geneva's "secteur Francais" is on my list of must-visit places. It might not be the same now that Switzerland joined Schengen, but still...
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Old January 24th, 2015, 05:44 PM   #12378
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I always found Gibraltar airport impressive because of the road that goes over the runway.
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Old January 24th, 2015, 06:43 PM   #12379
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Geneve, Portorož, Basel, Baden-Baden, Salzburg, these are some european that i have in my mind.
Basel's airport is actually not in Switzerland, a few km off its border.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 01:08 AM   #12380
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There aren't many airports so closed to a border. There are someones... and this is one of those.
In Tijuana, Mexico there's an Airport next to the border of San Diego, CA.
Nowdays the US goverment is building a terminal that will link to the Mexican Terminal.



The purple it's the new connection to the US Terminal. The building is the Tijuana Airport.

And a view from the mexican side, with the borderline.

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