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Old February 20th, 2015, 10:55 PM   #12601
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^ Agree. Dislike countries with multiple names, like the UK and the US.
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Old February 20th, 2015, 10:57 PM   #12602
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i actually don't like those short forms that are too general. for instance United States. hell no, America is better. or the winner - UK. i know that callin that country (Great) Britain is wrong. we also often call it England (and thinking of whole UK). United Kindgom of Great bla bla is not an option, it's too long. or former Soviet Union. no shit. there was some council that made a union around itself.
those names like US or UK or USSR would be the same as my name would be Man. or Human.
We sometimes refer Austria as "Reich" like "I was in Reich today". It is shorter form of Osterreich. Foreign people might think I mean the inglorious Reich Austria was part of.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 12:02 AM   #12603
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You mean, in Slovak?
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Old February 21st, 2015, 12:46 PM   #12604
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i actually don't like those short forms that are too general. for instance United States. hell no, America is better. or the winner - UK. i know that callin that country (Great) Britain is wrong. we also often call it England (and thinking of whole UK). United Kindgom of Great bla bla is not an option, it's too long. or former Soviet Union. no shit. there was some council that made a union around itself.
those names like US or UK or USSR would be the same as my name would be Man. or Human.
I use the name Great Britain when speaking of the island of that name, which is the case in 99 % of the times when I actually could speak about the country. So not much risk of a confusion here. When speaking of Nothern Ireland, I say Northern Ireland. I assume that the person being spoken to knows which country Nothern Ireland belongs to, anyway.

America is different, since most part of America does not belong to the US.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:04 PM   #12605
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On the other hand, the English-speaking world recognizes two continents in the Western Hemisphere - North America and South America. So "America" really doesn't refer to the whole hemisphere and therefore is not ambiguous. That argument works in French and Spanish but not English.

That said, I actually find British people use the word "America" to refer to the U.S. more often than I would. I, and I think most Americans, tend to "the U.S." as the name for the country and "American(s)" as an adjective or for the people. (English- and French-speaking Canadians call us Americans, for what it's worth....) "America" as a noun is used in sort of emotive contexts (patriotic songs and the like), and "U.S." as an adjective in official contexts. ("U.S. government" sounds more natural to me than "American government.") This may not make a lot of sense, but expecting language to behave like math...well, it just doesn't.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:17 PM   #12606
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You mean, in Slovak?
Yeah... But I've already heard it from a Czech as well...
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:20 PM   #12607
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Is that official Slovak or sort of slang? (Like French-speaking people saying "USA" - pronounced the French way - ü, ess, ah - rather than "Etats-Unis." I learned "Etats-Unis" but "USA" seems far more common in anything less formal than a newspaper article. It's even more common in headlines, probably because it's shorter.)

What's the official Slovak for Austria?

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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:35 PM   #12608
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Is that official Slovak or sort of slang? (Like French-speaking people saying "USA" - pronounced the French way - ü, ess, ah - rather than "Etats-Unis." I learned "Etats-Unis" but "USA" seems far more common in anything less formal than a newspaper article. It's even more common in headlines, probably because it's shorter.)

What's the official Slovak for Austria?

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It is pure slang. Official name is "Rakúsko". Others Slavs call it "Avstria" but we followed our Czech brothers who call it "Rakousko". It was former "Rakousy", the screwed up translation of Austrian city Raabs an der Thaya. Czech merchants decided to translate it and call the whole country after it.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:41 PM   #12609
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On the other hand, the English-speaking world recognizes two continents in the Western Hemisphere - North America and South America. So "America" really doesn't refer to the whole hemisphere and therefore is not ambiguous. That argument works in French and Spanish but not English.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:44 PM   #12610
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There is no border crossing between North and South America
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:46 PM   #12611
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I'd say "Western Hemisphere" more often than "the Americas." And, one thing that's nice about English is that nouns can be used as adjectives without needing to add endings. So "Western Hemisphere countries" works. "American countries" would sound completely bizarre (even if there is such a thing as the Organization of American States). I really think any native speaker of English hearing another native speaker use the word American, outside of proper names like the OAS, would assume they're talking about the U.S.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:46 PM   #12612
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It is even complicated, because in terms of geology, there are two Americas and Euroasia, in terms of cultural areas, there is America, Europe and Asia. But the issue is not ultimate, some people agree, some not.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:47 PM   #12613
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LOL. Sorry. It was that marker at the San Ysidro/Tijuana border that started this....

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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:51 PM   #12614
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My family in Poland was always calling us the "amerykanski" and I was like, no, I live in Canada, and they'd come back with that "north america" thing but... no it sounds odd.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 09:03 PM   #12615
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Some Latin languages have a distinct adjective to use rather than American: statunitense (in Italian) or estadounidense (in Spanish)
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There is one actually. Between Panama and Colombia on the Atlantic coast.


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Old February 21st, 2015, 09:06 PM   #12617
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Can you cross it, though, except on foot?

My understanding was there's no road between Colombia and Panama.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 11:47 PM   #12619
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Some Latin languages have a distinct adjective to use rather than American: statunitense (in Italian) or estadounidense (in Spanish)
In French as well, the term états-unien is used since a few decades , but that's an academic word I'd say, rather than a common language one.
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I participated in Le Monde's forums for several years, and that came up all the time. Someone would say "Etats-Unien", someone else would get annoyed....
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