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Old February 24th, 2015, 12:55 AM   #12641
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Lately, mamy Cubans escaping the Castro dictatorship travel to Ecuador (one of the very few people that does not requiere visa from Cuba), from there to Colombia and then, cross the Darien jungle on foot because there is no road.
holy shit, crossing the Darien on foot? I think easier to swim to Florida
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Old February 24th, 2015, 11:36 AM   #12642
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portalet , e-f border

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Old February 25th, 2015, 05:32 AM   #12643
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road to "snow heaven/hell" ? I guess that's what the sign must have said until the snow came?
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Old February 25th, 2015, 06:05 AM   #12644
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How it looks: the French don't bother to clear the roads, the Spanish do.
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Old February 25th, 2015, 06:23 AM   #12645
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Seriously, are there any international understandings on that sort of thing? If the segment of a mountain road in country A between the last intersection, building, whatever and the border, is to be cleared, does that obligate country B to pick up at the border?
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Old February 25th, 2015, 06:40 AM   #12646
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Normally yes. But the same would then have to go for road maintenance...





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Old February 25th, 2015, 10:51 AM   #12647
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Seriously, are there any international understandings on that sort of thing? If the segment of a mountain road in country A between the last intersection, building, whatever and the border, is to be cleared, does that obligate country B to pick up at the border?
Last winter there was the same issue between France and Italy at the Col della Maddalena/Col de Larche: France cleared the road while Italy didn't.

http://www.lastampa.it/2014/01/12/it...mK/pagina.html
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Old February 25th, 2015, 11:05 AM   #12648
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Normally yes. But the same would then have to go for road maintenance...


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Seems like this exit on A12 (B) was repaired a long time ago...

https://www.google.ch/maps/@51.37691...adpcgu83gQ!2e0
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Old February 25th, 2015, 11:15 AM   #12649
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According to Portalet (Pourtalet in French) border pass, Midi Pyrenees region made some works to have the pass operative more days within the year. Several years ago it was cut off all the winter (and spring and...).
The biggest ski resort in Spain is just there and these days we have had a lot of snow.

Resources are focused in the E07 which go in the paralel valley through Somport tunnel.

I've seen these pics (or other like them) in several newspapers and... it didn't catch me out
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Old February 25th, 2015, 09:02 PM   #12650
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Seems like this exit on A12 (B) was repaired a long time ago...

https://www.google.ch/maps/@51.37691...adpcgu83gQ!2e0
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Those pictures you see are from 2013 or 2014. So they were taken after the Streetview-pics.
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Old February 25th, 2015, 11:06 PM   #12651
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Quite strange, isn't it? It looks like the pavement was quite "fresh" in December 2009, so it did deteriorate very quickly. Although, my suspicion goes to the road work company .
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Old February 26th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #12652
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today, a lot of km. down away in Spain in that valley


(taken from EPA, a local newspaper)

Bus driver to face judge because providing you weren't on a car (truck, bus, etc...) it was forbidden to drive there.

It was a bus school and, lucky, no victims nor single injuries or so.
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Old February 26th, 2015, 01:22 AM   #12653
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today, a lot of km. down away in Spain in that valley


(taken from EPA, a local newspaper)

Bus driver to face judge because providing you weren't on a car (truck, bus, etc...) it was forbidden to drive there.

It was a bus school and, lucky, no victims nor single injuries or so.
Hopefully he will lose his job forever, bringing someone else's children through a such dangerous situation is a criminal behaviour, IMHO. Their parents can start a class action against him.
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Old February 26th, 2015, 01:34 AM   #12654
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Hopefully he will lose his job forever, bringing someone else's children through a such dangerous situation is a criminal behaviour, IMHO. Their parents can start a class action against him.
No need for parents (they can, obviously, but no need).

In Spain, if there is a "fault", omeone should report it but if there is a "crime" (and it is quite clear the difference between a fault and a crime for any kind of case), prosecutor will act even if nobody report it.


The international journey would be this one

https://www.google.es/maps/dir/Pau,+...4!2d42.5193594

E-07 through Somport tunnel is safer and easier even if it is longer.

The accident took place in the village of Escarrilla

Vitoria Man picture is spotted in the border
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.80578...re29UFYqAg!2e0


In France there is no population and barely traffic near the border but in Spain there is... due to biggest ski resort is quite near the border.


That's why road would be enable to drive in Spain but not in France

I remember being there when teenager and road was OK (but only one lane and two or more metres of snow) until half kilometre before the border. We went walking over the snowed road (two metres snowed) until the booths.

Schengen hadn't started yet. Therefore border controls existed. I remember to see a police patrol from time to time driving in the area because nobody was in the booth, obviously.
We enter into France (for several metres but no passport, no ID and no parents allowance...) and, obviously again... nobody to ask.
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Old February 26th, 2015, 10:19 AM   #12655
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Hopefully he will lose his job forever, bringing someone else's children through a such dangerous situation is a criminal behaviour, IMHO. Their parents can start a class action against him.
Maybe it wasn't his decision, maybe his boss forced him to do that. So "drive there or you're fired", and he ends up being fired in any case.
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In addition to Pourtalet border crossing.... Somport border crossing (E-07) is limited to cars since today due to snow (only via tunnel, mountain pass remains cut off)
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Old February 27th, 2015, 12:19 AM   #12657
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Maybe it wasn't his decision, maybe his boss forced him to do that. So "drive there or you're fired", and he ends up being fired in any case.
In that case the boss should be liable.
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Old February 27th, 2015, 12:35 AM   #12658
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Maybe it wasn't his decision, maybe his boss forced him to do that. So "drive there or you're fired", and he ends up being fired in any case.
Regardless the fact the driver is legally responsible adult (could it be called sovereign?) and he would not jump out of the window if the boss told him so, we are slightly sidetracking from border crossings.
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I have never seen this place so deserted. Midweek, about 15.00 hrs.





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