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Old March 1st, 2015, 08:44 PM   #12701
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Those US statistics don't show number of train entries
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Old March 1st, 2015, 08:49 PM   #12702
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I don't know if there are border crossings of people by train between US and Canada...

I know there aren't crossings between Mexico and US
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Old March 1st, 2015, 08:51 PM   #12703
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here is the data, 2013 CY...
from Canada, top US entry ports:
What would be very interesting to see is a breakdown to the personal vehicles' countries of registration - the share of US-, Canadian- and third-country registered vehicles among those which crossed the border.

As for buses and commercial trucks, I guess none from an overseas country ever cross there; what about Mexican and other from Central and South America? Can these occasionally be found up there in the North?
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Old March 1st, 2015, 08:53 PM   #12704
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US-Mexico border
Matamoros, MX to Brownsville, Texas
each day thousands of mexican students go to american schools, in bicycle, walking or driving

this is one picture of mine:

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Old March 1st, 2015, 08:55 PM   #12705
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I don't know if there are border crossings of people by train between US and Canada...

I know there aren't crossings between Mexico and US
There is passenger service to Toronto and Montreal at least.
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Old March 1st, 2015, 08:59 PM   #12706
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What would be very interesting to see is a breakdown to the personal vehicles' countries of registration - the share of US-, Canadian- and third-country registered vehicles among those which crossed the border.

As for buses and commercial trucks, I guess none from an overseas country ever cross there; what about Mexican and other from Central and South America? Can these occasionally be found up there in the North?

thousands of mexican buses cross into USA...and american buses into Mexico too...
now, regarding commercial trucks, mexican trucks can go only into the border cities of US....the american unions have been sucessful in putting commercial barriers for mexican drivers...american drivers worry about competition
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Old March 1st, 2015, 09:16 PM   #12707
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Hm maybe it's not only about competition, but also safety and environmental issues w/ Mexican trucks.
Anyway, my question concerned the USA/CDN border, so you won't really find Mexican trucks crossing that one if they are stuck at US border cities.

How does overland freight between Mexico and Canada work? Do Canadian trucks come down to Mexico, or meet Mexican ones close to the border and transfer the cargo?
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Old March 1st, 2015, 09:53 PM   #12708
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I think it is mostly by train once you get to that kind of distance just for economics... I see US trucks all the time in Canada, and Canadian all around the northern USA, but Mexican, they are really rare at this latitude...

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Those US statistics don't show number of train entries
I never did it but I suspect train into the US works like airplanes - there are US border guards at the airport and once you get past them you are legally "in US" so you have no border check "at the border", instead already you have pre-clearance. (edit apparently this is only done at Vancouver)

As for congested crossings, the ones at Buffalo are pretty bad. But I would make distinction between traffic count and congestion. But especially on long weekends in summer, it can be just horrible.
I am surprised by the number at "Niagara Falls", surely it must be counting the four different crossings there (Hwy 405/1-190 / Queenston bridge, Peace Bridge at Fort Erie, Whirlpool Rapids bridge) in addition to the actual Niagara Falls Rainbow Bridge...
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Old March 1st, 2015, 09:58 PM   #12709
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It says Buffalo-Niagara Falls, so it ought to cover everything from the Peace Bridge up (or down, really) to, what 190/405?
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Old March 1st, 2015, 09:58 PM   #12710
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As for buses and commercial trucks, I guess none from an overseas country ever cross there
Once I saw in Switzerland a bus from Brazil.
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Old March 1st, 2015, 10:46 PM   #12711
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Hm maybe it's not only about competition, but also safety and environmental issues w/ Mexican trucks.
Anyway, my question concerned the USA/CDN border, so you won't really find Mexican trucks crossing that one if they are stuck at US border cities.

How does overland freight between Mexico and Canada work? Do Canadian trucks come down to Mexico, or meet Mexican ones close to the border and transfer the cargo?

Oh OK, I misunterstood your question...
and well, regarding Can/Mex overland freight, I don't know too much about it...I'll have to investigate further...
I have seen trucks with canadian legends in mexican roads, but I think these drivers are mexican with canadian freights
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Old March 1st, 2015, 11:01 PM   #12712
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BTW, how are train controls MX-US?
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Old March 1st, 2015, 11:47 PM   #12713
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There is passenger service to Toronto and Montreal at least.
I expected there was something between Seattle and Vancouver or San Diego and Tijuana, since there's a lot of interaction between those urban areas.
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Old March 1st, 2015, 11:54 PM   #12714
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here is the data, 2013 CY...
from Canada, top US entry ports:

entries by personal vehicle (cars)




buses:





commercial trucks:

What about pedestrian\bicycle traffic?
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Old March 2nd, 2015, 12:41 AM   #12715
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What about pedestrian\bicycle traffic?
here you go...I guess they include bicycles in this category, but i'm not sure

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Old March 2nd, 2015, 12:47 AM   #12716
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thousands of mexican buses cross into USA...and american buses into Mexico too...
now, regarding commercial trucks, mexican trucks can go only into the border cities of US....the american unions have been sucessful in putting commercial barriers for mexican drivers...american drivers worry about competition
Also in Europe there is a similar problem: truckers from Western countries suffer the competition of those from Eastern countries. However, working hours for truckers are the same in all 28 EU countries.
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Old March 2nd, 2015, 12:54 AM   #12717
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here you go...I guess they include bicycles in this category, but i'm not sure

Okay, so, what counts as a crossing? Derby Line must get 398 in a day, let alone in a year... Is there a rule that locals don't have to report, or no one has to report until they're outside the built-up area, or....?
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I really don't know
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Old March 2nd, 2015, 02:32 PM   #12719
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I expected there was something between Seattle and Vancouver or San Diego and Tijuana, since there's a lot of interaction between those urban areas.
I've crossed the US-Can border on the train whilst travelling from NY to Montreal and back. I've also travelled on the Amtrak service from the US to Toronto but only from Niagara Falls on the Canadian side to Oakville.

There's a rail connection between Vancouver & Seattle (Amtrak Cascades 513) but when I travelled between the two cities in 2005 I went by coach. Not sure why but it was probably a combination of cost/travel time/departure time. We did, however, use the above Amtrak service from Seattle to Portland, OR (fantastic city btw) a few days later.
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Old March 2nd, 2015, 02:42 PM   #12720
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Seattle and Vancouver are something like 140 miles apart.

San Diego and Tijuana, on the other hand, are more like a single urban area. There's a light rail service between San Diego and the border known as the Tijuana Trolley and has been for a long time; whether it actually crosses the border I don't know. (Closest I've ever been to Mexico is Disneyland.)
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