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Old March 17th, 2015, 12:38 AM   #12741
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Here's an odd one - https://www.google.com/maps/@45.8626...JCmdBMt45w!2e0

It's the I/CH border near Chiasso, but what makes this interesting is that there are still gates on the Italian side that can be used to lock the border. There can't be many places like that left in Western Europe!
Those gates aren't probably in use for several years, they just left them there, like many other old, and now useless, border infrastructures across the Schengen area.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old March 17th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #12742
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In my region, three out of four border pass have booths remaining.

The case without them is the Somport tunnel (built after Schengen. It has areas to control trucks but these months they wanted to make random police checks and the had to choose a village where traffic is 50 km/h).

The other three ones haven't enough traffic. It is free to cross it altough they remain with booths.

They are mountain passes and do not disturb traffic.

One of them was refurbished for winter maintenance in both countries.

Another one...maybe the typical spotted place in the area and nothing else.

But they could start using booths tomorrow if they want.

It is weird because few passes have them. Only low traffic ones
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Old March 17th, 2015, 12:46 AM   #12743
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"Czech Republic’s territory may shrink"
http://www.praguepost.com/czech-news...ory-may-shrink
386 hectars (3,86 km^2) seems a quite significant border change (9 times the Vatican City ). It will affects maps. Recent border changes in Europe are uncommon, the only other I know was when, in 1974, France gave back to Italy 10 hectars (0,1 km^2) of land near Claviere, to reunify the village that had been cut off by the border after WWII.
The area between the "Rio Secco" stream and the current border was French until 1974.
https://www.google.it/maps/place/Cla...524860e5cf0eaf
This was the old border crossing, used before 1974.
https://www.google.it/maps/@44.93695...RrOry3N5RQ!2e0
New border stones:


This car box (or sort of that) is in France, but at the end of a cul-de-sac accessible only from Italy.
https://www.google.it/maps/@44.93746...nwxoOodG-g!2e0
International bridge:
https://www.google.it/maps/place/Cla...524860e5cf0eaf
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old March 17th, 2015, 12:25 PM   #12744
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I`ve drove there (N94/SS24) cca. 2 years ago, coming back from skiing in Les Deux Alpes
Very, very nice trip!
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Old March 17th, 2015, 01:19 PM   #12745
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We need a bigger bridge...
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Old March 17th, 2015, 07:16 PM   #12746
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Is not a road, but it's a curious border


http://www2.gazetadopovo.com.br/rota...al_pag=9&city=

Two brazilian towns (each one in a diferent state) and a argentine town. All together.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 03:24 AM   #12747
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Turkish citizen on border crossing between Croatia and Serbia threw his documents and accelerated pedal to the metal breaking through two ramps. He travelled at full speed for about 40 kilometeres when interceptors managed to stop him.

http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Hronika/543...-ga-presretaci
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Old March 19th, 2015, 02:14 PM   #12748
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386 hectars (3,86 km^2) seems a quite significant border change (9 times the Vatican City ). It will affects maps. Recent border changes in Europe are uncommon, the only other I know was when, in 1974, France gave back to Italy 10 hectars (0,1 km^2) of land near Claviere, to reunify the village that had been cut off by the border after WWII.
The Swedish and Norwegian borders with Finland are demarcated every 25th year. According to border treaties, the borderline follows the deepest path of the river, which is something that changes time to time. Sometimes it happens that during those 25 years the deepest path has changed from one side of an island to the other, and then that island changes country.

Most such islands are uninhabited, though.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 08:40 AM   #12749
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Old March 21st, 2015, 09:15 AM   #12750
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Old March 23rd, 2015, 07:38 PM   #12751
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I think some buildings should be preserved. Memorials are important to show younger generations what freedeom means.
Border crossings and guarded borders have nothing to do with limited freedom, but with security. If your papers are ok, crossing guarded borders is no problem. Today, western European countries are flooded with Africans because the southern borders are not well guarded. For real freedom security measures are really needed. Today we have open borders within the Schengen area, but crossing the eastern borders (Russia) became very hard and countries like Sweden are working on laws that forbid criticism against Islam. Freedom is certainly not obvious juist because of open borders.

It is better to have guarded borders with person-checks (against illegal immigration and criminals), no waiting queues because a customs-union, a very secure southern border and visa-free travelling between Russia and the EU.

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Old March 23rd, 2015, 08:30 PM   #12752
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Nakovo-Lunga (Serbia-Romania) summer 2012. Closed border crossing, Serbian side. Short after I made this photo, border guards appear. I had to remove the picture but I could restore it. Recently, the border crossing is rebuild and re-opened.
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Old March 24th, 2015, 02:50 AM   #12753
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Well, the negotiations are necessary anyway because the current border between Estonia and Russia is a "temporary" control line i.e. there isn't a border treaty between Estonia and Russia at the moment.

Saatse boot is also the largest part of land that Estonia will get from Russia after the border treaty has been signed. Lands will be exchanged in equal amounts, totalling 129 hectares - Saatse boot is 115 hectares. It would be logical to have Saatse boot anyway and the current solution where you can drive (or indeed cycle) through a small piece of Russia without stopping has worked so far. The route around the border would be 4 times as long and there are villages on both sides of Saatse boot.

Yes, you can cycle through the area but you may not get off your bike. You can see that spot on Street View.
Here is the place shown on OSM, that draws borders much more accurately than GM.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/57.9150/27.7036
The road crosses into Russian territory twice, one for around 1 km and the other for few meters, leaving the Estonian village in the middle accessible only via Russia (pene-exclave). Walking along the road or stopping the vehicle in the Russian sections isn't allowed.
There are no signs marking the border, but you can spot it by looking at "no pedestrians" signs.
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Old March 24th, 2015, 03:34 PM   #12754
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Here is the place shown on OSM, that draws borders much more accurately than GM.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/57.9150/27.7036
The road crosses into Russian territory twice, one for around 1 km and the other for few meters, leaving the Estonian village in the middle accessible only via Russia (pene-exclave). Walking along the road or stopping the vehicle in the Russian sections isn't allowed.
There are no signs marking the border, but you can spot it by looking at "no pedestrians" signs.
Looking at Google Street view to the north where the road crosses into Russian territory for just a few metres, there is a russian border monument on the east and west sides of the road, but the fencing (in theory keeping people in Russia) is only on the east side of the road. Interesting place.
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Old March 24th, 2015, 04:39 PM   #12755
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Looking at Google Street view to the north where the road crosses into Russian territory for just a few metres, there is a russian border monument on the east and west sides of the road, but the fencing (in theory keeping people in Russia) is only on the east side of the road. Interesting place.
Cool. Do you have the link to the exact point?
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Old March 24th, 2015, 08:37 PM   #12756
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Cool. Do you have the link to the exact point?
http://goo.gl/maps/HG5mX

and here:

http://goo.gl/maps/hpMmQ

The border line overlay by Google is off a bit. The border markers tell the whole story

Not quite as populated as this place

http://goo.gl/maps/iTf8U

which is my closest unusual border place
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Old March 24th, 2015, 10:45 PM   #12757
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It is decided by Governments of both countries in joint session that during the "touristic season", there will be no stops at all in border crossing between Kosovo and Albania.

Turistic season should last from 1 of June to 31 of August.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #12758
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Here is the place shown on OSM, that draws borders much more accurately than GM.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/57.9150/27.7036
The road crosses into Russian territory twice, one for around 1 km and the other for few meters, leaving the Estonian village in the middle accessible only via Russia (pene-exclave). Walking along the road or stopping the vehicle in the Russian sections isn't allowed.
There are no signs marking the border, but you can spot it by looking at "no pedestrians" signs.
Is it possible to make pictures (standing on Estonian ground) without problems?
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Old March 25th, 2015, 12:54 AM   #12759
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It is decided by Governments of both countries in joint session that during the "touristic season", there will be no stops at all in border crossing between Kosovo and Albania.

Turistic season should last from 1 of June to 31 of August.
What about entry and exit stamps? When I visited Kosovo in 2013 I got an entry and an exit stamp. One of these or both will be missing without stops at the border crossing between Kosovo and Albania.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 02:10 AM   #12760
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http://goo.gl/maps/iTf8U

which is my closest unusual border place


Far away, quite far away but same border, same countries....

https://www.google.com/maps/place/St...1425cf73?hl=en
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