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Old April 5th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #12801
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Montenegro used to have ecological tax for all types of vehicles entering country (10 EUR for cars), but this was abandoned in 2012.
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Old April 5th, 2015, 10:35 PM   #12803
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"Fierros bajo del auga" WTF about translation!!!!
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Old April 5th, 2015, 11:44 PM   #12804
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the similar thing was present for the lorries while entering Bulgaria few years ago, but in opposite way. they should not have had more than 200 litres in the tanks, forcing them to fullfill in Bulgaria.
I think it's actually a very common rule on the EU external border. PL has it for certain on the RU border, for instance. From what I know, it's essentially a way to combat fuel smuggling - a truck with huge tanks could easily take in a considerable amount of fuel, which could be sold on at a handsome profit. A Polish trucking company based in (for instance) Gdansk could do weekly runs to Kaliningrad, fill up there and never pay Polish fuel taxes while still being able to claim the Russian fuel as a business expense.
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Old April 5th, 2015, 11:59 PM   #12805
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A question - does anyone know of any airports where Schengen passengers use the same infrastructure as non-Schengen passengers? For instance, in Chania Airport (Crete), arriving passengers pass border control desks that aren't in operation. Same with Schoenfeld Airport, where arriving passengers must pass a border control point (without control). On the contrary, passengers arriving to Rome Ciampino bypass the border control by taking a different route into the passenger terminal. Last time I passed through, I "accidentally" went the non-Schengen arrival route just to see how it worked. Interestingly, I asked in Malaga Airport a couple of months ago what would happen if I accidentally went through the exit border controls into the non-Schengen area. They said that legally, as you're cleared out of the Schengen area at that point, it would be obligatory to go elsewhere in the terminal to the entry controls (they were only permitted to perform exit, not entry checks), pass through the Schengen entry control and then an airport security officer would escort me back to the departure lounge. The officers were very friendly, and they explained that modern European terminal design is quite faulty as non-Schengen passengers are often kept in quite poor facilities compared to Schengen passengers. They said that they would prefer to have a system where EU flights were controlled at the gate due to the fact that exit checks are very quick on internal-EU flights, which would mean that non-Schengen passengers could use the whole departure lounge and not a small area.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 12:12 AM   #12806
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I would state that in Spain, all of airports (maybe some off those with more operations have different passengers fluxes) have the same infrastructure for Schengen and non-Schengen flights.

A flight arrives. It will be sent to the "finger 8" (for instance). Authorities know the origin, thus they decide to put a passport control or doesn't. In fact, you are crossing always passport booths, even for domestic or Schengen area flights but those booths will be used by police for passport control in case of non-Schengen area.

You will take your baggage and you will have the "goods to declare" office if you need it. If you go to the general gate it is supposed you needn't to declare anything.
Let's remember that not only out of EU but inside Spain you may declare goods (for instance, in my city we have few, few flights but only one out of them, apart of charters, will be strongly checked. It is because it comes from Canary islands and taxes are really different).
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Old April 6th, 2015, 06:26 AM   #12807
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"Fierros bajo del auga" WTF about translation!!!!
It's not incorrect:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fierro
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Maybe the correct translation is: "Peligro - Objetos bajo el agua." or "Cuidado - Objetos Peligrosos bajo del agua."

Or something like that.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 07:55 AM   #12809
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Fierro is just Ok (in official texts I expect to read more neutral language) but:

1) English and Spanish signs doesn't say the same
2) "bajo del auga"???? Is that correct anywhere? I don't find it correct. if bajo can be used as debajo somewhere, they should be using again a more neutral language. Agua is clearly mispelled.

A correct translation:

PELIGRO
OBJETOS
BAJO
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The point is for a spanish fierro sounds really wtf :P i don't noticed auga xD
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Old April 6th, 2015, 12:39 PM   #12811
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I think it's actually a very common rule on the EU external border. PL has it for certain on the RU border, for instance. From what I know, it's essentially a way to combat fuel smuggling - a truck with huge tanks could easily take in a considerable amount of fuel, which could be sold on at a handsome profit. A Polish trucking company based in (for instance) Gdansk could do weekly runs to Kaliningrad, fill up there and never pay Polish fuel taxes while still being able to claim the Russian fuel as a business expense.
It's the same with Norwegians who are living near Russian border!! Norway is known for having Europe’s most expensive petrol. Not necessarily so for those living in the country’s northeasternmost corner. The nearest petrol station in Russia is a 40 minute drive from the border. Road authorities on both sides of the border are now heavily investing in better roads, so the drive will soon be even faster.

In Nikel, Rosneft sells gasoline for 35,65 rubles (€0,51) per litre and diesel for 37,10. In Norwegian kroner that is 4,4 and 4,57. The prices at Shell’s petrol station in Kirkenes on the Norwegian side of the border is 14,6 and 13,7 kroner.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 01:24 PM   #12812
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It seems like a hassle to drive 1.5 hours round trip + border formalities for cheaper fuel.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 03:59 PM   #12813
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Not to mention getting a visa for Russia.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 04:52 PM   #12814
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Auga is a mispelling. The correct word is "agua"

Should in Mexico doesn't apply a local idiom, "BAJO EL agua" or better "DEBAJO DEL agua".
More accurate last one.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 09:26 PM   #12815
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It seems like a hassle to drive 1.5 hours round trip + border formalities for cheaper fuel.
When there was still Yugoslavia and fuel there was extremely cheap people from as far west as Pordenone used to drive east to fill their car (not only lorries!). Now it makes sense to refuel in Slovenia only if you are east of Palmanova, I think.
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Not to mention getting a visa for Russia.
Poles and Lithuanians living near the Russian border don't need visas for Kaliningrad oblast. Russians from Kaliningrad oblast have visa-free access to the northernmost districts of Poland and the southernmost districts of Lithuania. They are banned from entry EU for few years if they are caught elsewhere in Europe without visa. There's an EU law specifically about visa-free local border traffic.
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It's the same with Norwegians who are living near Russian border!! Norway is known for having Europe’s most expensive petrol. Not necessarily so for those living in the country’s northeasternmost corner. The nearest petrol station in Russia is a 40 minute drive from the border. Road authorities on both sides of the border are now heavily investing in better roads, so the drive will soon be even faster.

In Nikel, Rosneft sells gasoline for 35,65 rubles (€0,51) per litre and diesel for 37,10. In Norwegian kroner that is 4,4 and 4,57. The prices at Shell’s petrol station in Kirkenes on the Norwegian side of the border is 14,6 and 13,7 kroner.
I don't think it's a big issue for Norway, as only a negligible amount of the Norweigian population lives by the Russian border.
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Auga is a mispelling. The correct word is "agua"

Should in Mexico doesn't apply a local idiom, "BAJO EL agua" or better "DEBAJO DEL agua".
More accurate last one.
In USA are not translators??? This is terrible and funny)))))
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Old April 6th, 2015, 10:17 PM   #12817
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There are lots of goodies that are much cheaper in Sweden than in Norway. Fuel is among them. Although the price difference is not as big as with Russia, it's still about 20% difference. Töcksfors is a town with 1,000 inhabitants, but has two huge shopping centers that caters mainly to Norwegians.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 10:20 PM   #12818
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Montenegro used to have ecological tax for all types of vehicles entering country (10 EUR for cars), but this was abandoned in 2012.
It was not bad idea..
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Old April 6th, 2015, 11:06 PM   #12819
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When there was still Yugoslavia and fuel there was extremely cheap ...
Maybe to Italians. I'm not aware that fuel was cheap for Yugoslav standards, and Yugoslavia didn't have oil anyway.
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Maybe to Italians. I'm not aware that fuel was cheap for Yugoslav standards, and Yugoslavia didn't have oil anyway.
Yes, compared to prices here, of course. And also meat and chigarettes.
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