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Old April 16th, 2015, 10:27 PM   #12901
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Aha!

So you should use the BN(O) passport rather than the USA one. While the BN(O) doesn't give you EU freedom of movement/right of abode, you're still a British citizen.

The border crossing between Hungary and Ukraine is no problem if you own the car. If you don't and the owner isn't travelling with you, then it can be more of an issue.
Which brings up a question, is it better to rent a car, or to buy one and then sell it once I'm done using it?
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Old April 16th, 2015, 10:45 PM   #12902
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I've read about a smuggling car caught off guard in a control after the Somport tunnel.

There are no booths. Therefore I guess that someone knew they were carrying drugs (heroin) and waited till they crossed the border.
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Old April 16th, 2015, 11:47 PM   #12903
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Aha!
The border crossing between Hungary and Ukraine is no problem if you own the car. If you don't and the owner isn't travelling with you, then it can be more of an issue.
I've read that waiting some hours is common there.
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Old April 17th, 2015, 10:10 AM   #12904
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IMO, crossing this railway brigde will approach someone to the most weird and interesting tripoint around the world. Just some metres away

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.4159114,130.6434303,16z
Well, someone did : http://vienna-pyongyang.blogspot.be/...-by-train.html

(going through this point and not through China as one is normally expected to do)

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Old April 17th, 2015, 10:42 AM   #12905
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I've read that waiting some hours is common there.

My original plan is to drive from a city in either Western or Central Europe (still to be determined), then drive through Hungary, Ukraine and then through the Baltic state and end in Russia.
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Old April 18th, 2015, 11:25 AM   #12906
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I've found a very rare photograph indeed - a picture of a Republic Srpska Krajina border crossing!

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Old April 18th, 2015, 02:41 PM   #12907
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My original plan is to drive from a city in either Western or Central Europe (still to be determined), then drive through Hungary, Ukraine and then through the Baltic state and end in Russia.
Driving into Russia is possible, but fairly complicate from a beaurocratic point of view even if the car is your. I don't know for rental cars, but I think the situation would be much worse. I don't know details, but besides the visa for Russia, you probably need to buy a Russian car insurance. Getting a Russian visa is possible only with an invitation, that you will get after having booked your hotel or other accomodation. So unplanned road trips across Russia, deciding at last moment where to sleep like you would do in Europe or North America are not possible. Remember also that traffic discipline is much worse than in Europe and North America, police is often corrupted and many signs are in cyrillic only (that isn't that hard to learn, since it has probably some 20-30 letters, but you need to learn in advance).
If you also drive across Belarus, same problems with Russia, but you will need to get a separate visa for it.
Obviously is needless to say to stay away from Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk oblast.
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Old April 18th, 2015, 02:59 PM   #12908
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I've found a very rare photograph indeed - a picture of a Republic Srpska Krajina border crossing!
Where has it been taken?

On my side, I can say that during my trip by bike in 2012 from Chochołów (PL) to Zadar (HR), I was very impressed how even nowadays you can clearly see where this strange entity was.
When riding from Zagreb to the Bosnian border in Maljevac via Brezovica, Pisarovina, Gvozd and Topusko, I could see an enormous amount of abandoned houses. I noticed also that of the few people I met on this 100-km road had cars with ... Serbian license plates. At no moment I was feeling that I was approaching Bosnia-Herzegovina.
Then, when I entered Croatia again, until Bruvno, it was another festival of abandoned houses and Serbian license plates.
In Bruvno itself, contrary to what I saw between Zagreb and Maljevac, I could see impacts of bullets ...

P.S.: Here were the borders of that entity. End of OT.
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Old April 18th, 2015, 03:00 PM   #12909
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I don't know for rental cars, but I think the situation would be much worse. I don't know details, but besides the visa for Russia, you probably need to buy a Russian car insurance.
... and first of all, negotiate with the rental company/look up in rental agreement if driving to Russia and other Eastern countries is permitted at all. If it is, hefty surcharges will apply.

Once I looked up the conditions for allowing to drive to Hungary with a VW transporter type car rented in Germany with a major rental company.
The applicable surcharge for this permission was about 300% of the standard rental price. And that was for EU Hungary, not Russia.
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Old April 18th, 2015, 03:58 PM   #12910
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Grobin, the website claimed that it was taken in Eastern Croatia, so I'm guessing that it was in Eastern Slavonia. It was taken in 1992, so I'm guessing this was the point when the UN entered as peacekeepers and the conflict became frozen (or more accurately, moved into Bosnia).

As an anecdote, as far as I know, the border was never closed between the RSK and Croatia. It was thoroughly unwise of ethnic Croats (and later Bosniaks) to enter the area, but non-locals could enter the area relatively freely. As far as I know, only Germans were truly despised among non-locals in the RSK, while others such as Brits were usually treated with nothing but contempt.

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Old April 18th, 2015, 04:27 PM   #12911
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Niagara Falls Bridge


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Old April 20th, 2015, 02:42 AM   #12912
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Another historical picture, this time taken in Poland facing the border crossing at Terespol.



In comparison to the modern day -

https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.06935...zPQ0PZbAFw!2e0

Quite incredible to think that the tiny Terespol crossing in the old days was (along with Medyka) the major crossing into the USSR from Poland. From what I understand, passport/customs clearance was all carried out inside the building.
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Old April 20th, 2015, 02:59 AM   #12913
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And especially with upside-down 8 number, it is like warning, you sure to go to USSR?
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Old April 20th, 2015, 02:06 PM   #12914
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Quite incredible to think that the tiny Terespol crossing in the old days was (along with Medyka) the major crossing into the USSR from Poland.
Tiny? It was the main road to USSR, I don't know why you're surprised.
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Old April 20th, 2015, 04:57 PM   #12915
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Tiny? It was the main road to USSR, I don't know why you're surprised.
That's exactly why I'm surprised, look how small the facility is. I've found other pictures online (should I share?) and it seems that traffic to/from the USSR was very, very light indeed. I'm guessing that rail might have been the dominant form of transport in those times?
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Ah, I misunderstood you.
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Old April 20th, 2015, 08:50 PM   #12917
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I think this is a more appropiate imagine on curent days traffic in that border crossing.
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Old April 21st, 2015, 07:22 PM   #12918
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Old picture of a local border crossing between Muggia (Italy) and Cerej (Yugoslavia\Slovenia, I don't know the year of the pic). The sign (in Italian and Slovenian) says:
"Agricultural border crossing of Cerej. Transit allowed only to owners of agricultural permit."
Aparently there were people who owned land on both sides and they had to cross the border there to manage their property.



The same place now:
https://www.google.it/maps/@45.59302...GM4jcCfWlQ!2e0
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Old April 21st, 2015, 10:52 PM   #12919
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I think this is a more appropiate imagine on curent days traffic in that border crossing.
Yes, it's crazy to think that the Terespol crossing in the photo I posted once handled both truck and car traffic. These days, Kukuryki handles all the truck traffic - and huge queues of trucks there aren't uncommon.

I wonder if that picture is from Yugoslavian or Slovenian times?
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 10:17 AM   #12920
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I think this is a more appropiate imagine on curent days traffic in that border crossing.
This is another border crossing. There are two different border crossings between Terespol and Brest.
Is the northernmost one for trucks only and the southernmost one only for cars?
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