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Old May 3rd, 2015, 09:18 AM   #12941
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I also crossed H/HR and HR/SLO borders 2 years ago. The border control lasted something like 10 seconds.
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 10:44 AM   #12942
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Nothing scanned last 2 days. At Kastel crossing Slovene looked for 1 second at our IDs, Croat was not interrested. At Pasjak only one border guard, 2 seconds look. Both order croosing checks were only on Slovene side
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 11:32 AM   #12943
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I had the same experience in 2009, when Croatia wasn't even an EU member.

When driving into Croatia at Bregana I pulled up to the customs officer in a booth, who asked if I had anything to declare, while stamping my passport. The whole procedure took only like 15 seconds and I had nobody in front of me.

When entering Slovenia at Macelj they just waved me through, I didn't even stop.
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 11:45 AM   #12944
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Crossing Slovenia to Croatia and back last 2 days was a joke, just a 1-2 second glance at ID cards, I almost didn't have to stop the car...
i ahd the same experience on those Istrian border crossings in last month or two.
but on Bregana 2 days ago we spent cca 5 min of waiting in a row. entering SLO there were 2 lanes opene, one for EU and one for all passengers. i took the all passengers one because the row was smaller, but it was much slower (i didn't see 2 non-EU cars in the row).
going back only 1 lane was opened.

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HU/HR border in Udvar there is no any croatian staff, both you leaving and entering Croatia so no checking, just hungarian staff check everything like before 1989... I hate it because they cause you feel like a criminal or so...
both are always present, maybe they just don't check always, so just standing aside.
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 01:04 PM   #12945
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As for HR/SLO, have the Slovenians finally started trusting Croatia to look after the Schengen border? Last summer, they were still scanning passports and taking their time...
It's still the outer Schengen border and it's supposed to be looked after by Slovenia, not Croatia.
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 01:58 PM   #12946
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It's still the outer Schengen border and it's supposed to be looked after by Slovenia, not Croatia.
You see a similar thing on other EU but non-Schengen borders - Gibraltar/Spain, UK/France and Hungary/Romania.

I've always thought this was one of the biggest weaknesses of the Schengen system that ridiculously tough controls are applied in some places (such as the PL/UA border) and then ridiculously weak controls in other areas.

Having said that, did they ever really care on the SLO/HR border? I spent several days driving around it, including walking right up to the border line in many places, and Bregana was the only place where a guard told me to get lost. I didn't even see any border guards elsewhere (except at border crossings). To me, it seems that SLO/HR border crossings were more about flexing muscles rather than actually particularly caring about border control.
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 04:28 PM   #12947
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You see a similar thing on other EU but non-Schengen borders - Gibraltar/Spain, UK/France and Hungary/Romania.
These are all (outer) Schengen borders.

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To me, it seems that SLO/HR border crossings were more about flexing muscles rather than actually particularly caring about border control.
Once I was driving close to the border on the Slovenian side and cops went after me. That was in 2008 though.
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 05:06 PM   #12948
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These are all (outer) Schengen borders.
Exactly, but the same standards seem to apply there. There seems to be an understanding in the EU that checks on EU land frontiers aren't really taken seriously by anyone.
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 05:17 PM   #12949
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Exactly, but the same standards seem to apply there. There seems to be an understanding in the EU that checks on EU land frontiers aren't really taken seriously by anyone.
They are taken seriously on outer EU land frontiers. (except within the Schengen Area, of course)
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 08:32 PM   #12950
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They are taken seriously on outer EU land frontiers. (except within the Schengen Area, of course)
Well, Switzerland was one strange example - as far as I know, the French more or less abandoned any sort of systematic controls even before Schengen.

One thing that really needs to be sorted out is the lack of care applied to exit Schengen controls by Schengen countries bordering non-EU countries. I've lost count of the amount of times that I've been waved through exit checks without so much as a glance at my passport - GR/MKD, SLO/HR, HR/BiH (but never HR/MNE, interestingly) and more. I'm not asking for systematic controls, but the passport should at least be opened!



This is an interesting historical image - it's the border crossing at Boboszów (PL) / Dolni Lipka (CZ). It's still restricted to trucks weighing no more than 7.5t, and the building on the right has been renovated but still lies empty.



Opposite view, Dolni Lipka (CZ) / Boboszów (PL).

One strange thing about the old PL/CZ borders is the presence of huts before the main control. They existed as well at Kudowa/Nachod, but they never seemed to be permanent in nature (unlike the infrastructure found on the eastern borders). Never quite figured out what they were for...
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Old May 4th, 2015, 01:33 AM   #12951
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Are you sure that the Croatians aren't there with the Hungarians? As the Hungarian infrastructure is at Schengen standards while the Croatian infrastructure wasn't, as far as I know, most controls moved to the Hungarian side of the border.
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both are always present, maybe they just don't check always, so just standing aside.
Since Croatia joined EU i`ve never seen croatian officers in Udvar bc (I crossed the border many times, driving to Sarajevo, in 2014). The buildings were closed and the barriers lifted up.
The only staff were hungarian very young officers checking me and my car very careful with dirty and stinking dog, like during darkest communism times...
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Old May 4th, 2015, 05:13 PM   #12952
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Since Croatia joined EU i`ve never seen croatian officers in Udvar bc (I crossed the border many times, driving to Sarajevo, in 2014). The buildings were closed and the barriers lifted up.
The only staff were hungarian very young officers checking me and my car very careful with dirty and stinking dog, like during darkest communism times...
Weird, Udvar is the one at the end of the M6 from Budapest, right?

If so, I was definitely checked by Croatian officers there last summer in both directions. It might have been converted to a "one stop" crossing (with officers operating on the Hungarian side) in the meantime, but there will definitely be Croatians there somewhere. It would be very unusual for Croatians not to be present at all - and as far as I know, trucks still have to stop on both sides of the border. It's possible that the Croatians simply couldn't be bothered to physically be present, but they should definitely be either side by side with the Hungarians or in the old Hungarian customs booths.

Of course, Customs checks have gone completely. I still don't know how Croatia managed to carry out anything resembling a decent control in those buildings there - the exit direction wasn't even covered!

You even posted a picture from the same time as my trip there - - and the barrier is down. Did you drive round it? When I was there, the Croatians were busy inside drinking coffee and not actually in any hurry to come out!
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Old May 4th, 2015, 05:18 PM   #12953
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Udvar -> few km south of Mohacs, yeah quite close to south end of M6.
I`ve been definitely checked by Hungarians, both leaving and entering Hungary, and I haven`t seen any Croatians. The same has happened few times during 2014.
Maybe they have been hiden in building, just drinking coffee or so

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Old May 4th, 2015, 11:42 PM   #12954
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That's so strange, because Udvar (as far as I know) still has controls on both sides as opposed to being one stop like Leteyne/Gorican and some others.

I have a feeling that you simply drove straight through the Croatian controls

I know at the time I was there (same time as you posted that picture) - the Croatians were definitely working on the Croatian side and not performing joint controls. But the barriers were up, so there was nothing physically stopping someone from driving through, and traffic was ridiculously light in both directions.

I've just found an official document from the Croatian interior ministry, and they say that the joint control is conducted on Hungarian territory at Udvar. So I'm completely confused - what were they doing conducting checks last summer on Croatian territory?

http://www.mup.hr/UserDocsImages/top...0PRIJELAZI.pdf

The other mystery is why there are several closed road crossings between HR-HU.

Aha. http://www.glas-slavonije.hr/247049/...-zaustavljanje - controls from last September onwards have been conducted only in Udvar. If you went through before, probably you just drove through the border without stopping - it isn't very obvious on the Croatian side that you had to actually stop for controls there, especially on exit from HR.

Speaking of which, I'm sure that blonde Hungarian woman checked my passport in the picture last year!
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Old May 5th, 2015, 10:41 AM   #12955
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I have a feeling that you simply drove straight through the Croatian controls
I drive through Udvar since 2008, in 2014 I `ve been cca. 10 times in Sarajevo what means that I`ve crossed cca. 20 times Udvar bc. First few months of 2014 I had been stopped by Croatians and one day there`s not been any control on Croatian side. What`s more, on hungarian sde they have hungarian uniforms for sure (Hungariands have more green uniforms when Croatians have more like light blue).
But what`s the point? Now we save one or two minutes more
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Old May 5th, 2015, 08:56 PM   #12956
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Speaking of which, which way do you drive from Udvar to Sarajevo?

I went via Brcko last summer and accidentally drove into the Croatian entry control by mistake
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Old May 5th, 2015, 10:03 PM   #12957
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Speaking of which, which way do you drive from Udvar to Sarajevo?

I went via Brcko last summer and accidentally drove into the Croatian entry control by mistake
Brod -> Doboj -> Zenica -> Sarajevo is way faster than via Brčko -> Tuzla -> Kladanj, frankly it's very uncommon that you chose that road, maybe you visited some family on the way? As far as I understand from your posts you're a dijasporac
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Old May 5th, 2015, 11:41 PM   #12958
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Speaking of which, which way do you drive from Udvar to Sarajevo?

I went via Brcko last summer and accidentally drove into the Croatian entry control by mistake
I used to drive via Slavonski Brod/Brod bc next Doboj, Zenica etc. But I heard that better option is go via Slavonski Samac/Samac bc. I drove there few times (e.g. first time in 2008), no bad but I don`t like it...
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Brod -> Doboj -> Zenica -> Sarajevo is way faster than via Brčko -> Tuzla -> Kladanj, frankly it's very uncommon that you chose that road, maybe you visited some family on the way? As far as I understand from your posts you're a dijasporac
No no, just interested in the entire region, and almost every summer holiday is spent in that part of the world. It's also an excuse to collect passport stamps, so I've tried various stupid routes to experience new roads and interesting border crossings. Last summer was Brčko -> Tuzla -> Sarajevo -> Brod na Drini -> Trebinje for instance.

To bring it back on topic, the Brčko border crossing is apparently going to be closed for freight vehicles over summer due to construction works on the Croatian side. What confuses me - how on earth do they clear freight vehicles at that pathetic border crossing in Brčko? Is there a separate Customs terminal somewhere in Brčko?

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Old May 9th, 2015, 12:47 PM   #12960
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I am just curious: Have some border facilities been erected between Ukraine and Crimea? Or it is still at the level of old tyres thrown all around the place?
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