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Old June 4th, 2015, 10:34 AM   #13061
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alserrod - thanks! I'm surprised actually - I thought Franco's Spain did require exit visas from Spanish citizens, although I know that the country was never closed off in the same way as other countries in Europe were.

That's right. There wasn't a visa required to exit the country. But.... in addition, passports were offered only to several citizens.

They made this sort of ID card



which was valable for any internal affaire but wasn't allowed to travel abroad. It was mandatory to have it for all citizens aged over 14 and enough to have "controlled" all population and not allowed to exit the country.

And... it has been so useful that it has been developped. Today it is something like this


with an electronic chip (and you must stamp your fingerprint in the police station but doesn't appear in the document) and some police and tax agency information.

People is so used that... sometimes I am fed up that calling to any company to ask something, they will ask me first of all my ID number and later my name!!!!


To approach France you needed a permission like this one



It is stamped in 1954 and allows owner to move within the area near France in the Mediterranean coast and near Pyrenees.... move there, not cross the border!!!.
Only people living there (with ID card saying that was their address) were allowed to move there without this permission. Providing you moved there without it, you had been arrested.

But... to exit country, just a passport. As said, no visa required but to ask for a passport... first question... why???, why did you need a passport?. Therefore, few people had it.

Controls in borders weren't quite exhaustives. There were so few movement that it was easy to check them


My father had to move from time to time to Germany in the early 80s and had his passport stamped of entries and exits of Spain, nevertheless the airport. I never saw a German stamp in his passport.


Nowadays, with ID card it is enough to move within EU and Schengen area (and Andorra). But, in opposition, for several countries, people keep asking a passport because they know that it will be very unoften to see his/her ID card in some countries.
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Old June 4th, 2015, 11:40 PM   #13062
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Controls in borders weren't quite exhaustives. There were so few movement that it was easy to check them
AFAIK many Spaniards traveled abroad during the dictatorship, especially in the later years when things were a bit easier and more and more people could afford a car. Driving to France with the purpose of watching a banned movie (in Spain) was very common in certain circles. Even today, older generations (>50 years old) still joke about travelling to France with friends to watch porn .

Spain's "hermit country" period was between 1939 and the 1950s, for two reasons -the international isolation due to the country's support to nazi Germany during WWII (Spain was not accepted into the UN until 1952) and the later "autarquía" (self-sufficiency) policy of the early Franco regime. During that time, getting out of the country -and especially getting something into it- was difficult and our population didn't starve thanks to smuggling.
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Old June 4th, 2015, 11:58 PM   #13063
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That's right.... AFAIK, the most ever film in Biarritz cinemas forever was Emmanuelle.....
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Old June 5th, 2015, 12:42 AM   #13064
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To approach France you needed a permission like this one

It is stamped in 1954 and allows owner to move within the area near France in the Mediterranean coast and near Pyrenees.... move there, not cross the border!!!.
Only people living there (with ID card saying that was their address) were allowed to move there without this permission. Providing you moved there without it, you had been arrested.
Russia has still something similar. Everybody needs a permit to visit areas near the border (such Ivangorod, near the Estonian border). Hungary used to have it until 1989 at the border with Austria.

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Nowadays, with ID card it is enough to move within EU and Schengen area (and Andorra).
There are other countries that Schengen citizens can visit with ID only. All Balkan countries (but I'm not sure about Kosovo) and probably some more around the world.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 01:00 AM   #13065
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AFAIK, Kosovo can only be entered with a passport or biometric ID card from Macedonia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Albania. From Serbia it's possible with a regular ID. If it comes to countries outside Europe, Georgia is probably only independent land one can visit using EU/Schengen identity document.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 09:23 AM   #13066
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Russia has still something similar. Everybody needs a permit to visit areas near the border (such Ivangorod, near the Estonian border). Hungary used to have it until 1989 at the border with Austria.
Lithuania and Finland have it as well, and I think Bosnia has a blanket 100m restriction on approaching the border away from border crossings.

Croatia has it to a certain extent - while not officially required, it's a wise idea to inform the local border post of your activities if you intend to wander around remote areas close to the border.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 10:09 AM   #13067
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Depending on areas Spain had a more than 50 km restriction area. Citizens which ID card said they lived there could move in those areas with no problems (there will be a lot of random controls but enough with ID card).
But any relatives should have to ask for a permission to go there, for instance.

What I do not know is when it expired.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 08:11 PM   #13068
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Lithuania and Finland have it as well, and I think Bosnia has a blanket 100m restriction on approaching the border away from border crossings.

Croatia has it to a certain extent - while not officially required, it's a wise idea to inform the local border post of your activities if you intend to wander around remote areas close to the border.
Never heard of such regulations in BiH. And for Croatia: 2 uears ago I have driven in Konavle region from the village Dubravka northbound towards the border near the tripoint HR-BA-ME. I even saw a police car but they didn't stop me. I didn't go all the way to the border, because the road became very bad (there is no border crossing there anymore).
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Old June 5th, 2015, 08:41 PM   #13069
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AFAIK, Kosovo can only be entered with a passport or biometric ID card from Macedonia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Albania. From Serbia it's possible with a regular ID. If it comes to countries outside Europe, Georgia is probably only independent land one can visit using EU/Schengen identity document.
In Kosovo citizens of Albania, Serbia and Montenegro can enter with their regular National ID. All others, including Macedonian and Bulgarian citizens, need to have passport to enter in Kosovo.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 09:20 PM   #13070
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In Kosovo citizens of Albania, Serbia and Montenegro can enter with their regular National ID. All others, including Macedonian and Bulgarian citizens, need to have passport to enter in Kosovo.
When is that obligation valid since? My classmate was in Kosovo and used only ID card.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #13071
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On the official website of the Kosovo Foreign Affair´s Ministry, EU countries citizens can enter with biometric ID cards:

http://www.mfa-ks.net/?page=2,158
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Old June 6th, 2015, 12:40 AM   #13072
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I didn't know this.
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Old June 6th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #13073
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Never heard of such regulations in BiH. And for Croatia: 2 uears ago I have driven in Konavle region from the village Dubravka northbound towards the border near the tripoint HR-BA-ME. I even saw a police car but they didn't stop me. I didn't go all the way to the border, because the road became very bad (there is no border crossing there anymore).
Aha, I was slightly wrong. Check here - http://www.granpol.gov.ba/propisi/zakoni/?cid=30,1,1 - article 3, paragraph 4.

Essentially, non-BiH citizens cannot go closer than 300m to the border (except at border crossings) without permission. Article 63, paragraph 22 allows a punishment of up to 1,500BAM in this case.

I think this is why there are signs at BiH border crossings saying "protected zone".
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Old June 6th, 2015, 04:01 PM   #13074
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From EU countries and EES/Schengen you can enter kosovo with the so called international ID card. (Not those you get from the bank with your first bank card :P)
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Old June 6th, 2015, 09:11 PM   #13075
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border crossing Bezledy [PL] - Bagrationovsk [RU]




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Old June 7th, 2015, 12:33 AM   #13076
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How to get there from Hungary? Every road leading there the sign says "Private road".
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Old June 7th, 2015, 02:09 AM   #13077
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Schengen outer border facility in Folkestone, UK. Vehicles boarding the Channel Tunnel pass this.
Notice the arrow in the "France" sign - apparently an auxiliary solution where neither a "France" proper sign, nor a "France" with an indicated distance would make sense.

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Old June 7th, 2015, 02:14 AM   #13078
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border crossing Bezledy [PL] - Bagrationovsk [RU]


Link : DROGAMI PO POLSCE

I love how the driver approaches the RU border then gets scared, turns around runs back to PL
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Old June 7th, 2015, 03:52 PM   #13079
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Corvinus - where are the UK border controls there? I know the UK doesn't have systematic exit controls, but I thought they were still stationed there?
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I read that in April 2015 the UK was just about to introduce systematic exit controls. The indicated purpose is to easier detect foreign nationals that do not leave the UK within the date they should. As a consequence, when booking a ferry ride or the Channel Tunnel that departs the "Common Travel Area" (UK + IRL), passengers have to provide their ID's data when booking.

I crossed the pictured border a few days ago, and no UK exit controls were performed. Haven't seen UK officers there.
The French officer was in the booth, but didn't want to look at our papers either.
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