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Old June 15th, 2015, 11:41 PM   #13101
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Illegal immigrants trying to get from France into the UK (the truck happens to be from my city).
Hardcore stuff ,you guys got there...
We only got them peeps hiding in the border transit buses in the spaces around the buses, so far...
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Old June 16th, 2015, 01:46 AM   #13102
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Hardcore stuff ,you guys got there...
We only got them peeps hiding in the border transit buses in the spaces around the buses, so far...
But why Europe don't give African ******s to live in Europe,and make families with European women?? They are humans..Libya,Syria,Iraq,Afghanistan are demolished..sorry what USA is so far..I'll put all them direct to Canada and USA..But Europe will pay big price and take all them..and another millions)))) Good Luck EU!!!
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Old June 16th, 2015, 08:53 AM   #13103
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These are by far not only real refugees, but also a lot of economic migrants, e.g. from Africa, who come to work illegally, and/or to exploit welfare and lax sanctions for unlawful activities like drug trafficking.

Only ones I feel sorry for are
- the truck drivers experiencing the hassle with illegals, and receiving fines if officials assume their truck has not been "secured properly",
- local population in the areas overrun by the illegals,
- the taxpayer having to come up for it at the end.

I agree, let real refugees grant asylum, but only after following the lawful application procedure, and only as long as they don't break any law.
Let all fake refugees (economic migrants) and law-breaking refugees ship back, without exception. No matter where they are from.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 09:11 AM   #13104
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Illegal immigrants trying to get from France into the UK (the truck happens to be from my city).
Excuse me for being so rude, intolerant and incorrect, but if we, EU, are supposed to accept every immigrant trying to get to the EU (even with totalitarian quotas), because they are heading here for better life,

where the hell are women with children?
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Old June 16th, 2015, 10:00 AM   #13105
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Excuse me for being so rude, intolerant and incorrect, but if we, EU, are supposed to accept every immigrant trying to get to the EU (even with totalitarian quotas), because they are heading here for better life,

where the hell are women with children?

The men get asylum and then citizenship. The women & children then try to gain entry lawfully because their husband has citizenship.

Hopefully Europe is now waking up to why we still have border security in place.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 04:06 PM   #13106
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Excuse me for being so rude, intolerant and incorrect, but if we, EU, are supposed to accept every immigrant trying to get to the EU (even with totalitarian quotas), because they are heading here for better life,

where the hell are women with children?
It is very common for men to go before women and children, that happens all over the world, and it's something Europeans have done too.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 05:40 PM   #13107
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I can't imagine that scenario during socialist period in my country (please note: If you wanted to live a calm but substandard life, nobody minded your business nor punished you for no reason). If a man had succeeded to left the family in advance to manage the formalities in desired country, his wife and children would have been arrested and sent to jail. It was pretty common that if a few family members emigrate from the country (illegally in 100 % of cases), the remaining members were severely punished by government.

So if there are calm men waiting for asylum, the situation in the source country is not that bad as described. There will be whole families otherwise. I might be wrong, but the men in the video are just another future abusers of European social system playing a nice drama.

I am not racist. I do respect all nationalities and religions. But it really stinks that is going on in Europe.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 05:40 PM   #13108
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These are by far not only real refugees, but also a lot of economic migrants, e.g. from Africa, who come to work illegally, and/or to exploit welfare and lax sanctions for unlawful activities like drug trafficking.

Only ones I feel sorry for are
- the truck drivers experiencing the hassle with illegals, and receiving fines if officials assume their truck has not been "secured properly",
- local population in the areas overrun by the illegals,
- the taxpayer having to come up for it at the end.

I agree, let real refugees grant asylum, but only after following the lawful application procedure, and only as long as they don't break any law.
Let all fake refugees (economic migrants) and law-breaking refugees ship back, without exception. No matter where they are from.
I agree with what you wrote, but in practice, it would very difficult to implement. Almost everyone coming here claims to be an asylum seeker, but we know that most of those claims are utterly fake and they are in reality economical immigrants. I'm all for helping innocent people who risk their life in their countries, but it's difficult to distinguish between real and self-proclaimed political refugees, as they often don't have documents or have fake documents.
Moreover, even if one is really prosecuted in his country, it doesn't automatically means that he deserves protection. One can be prosecuted for his political or religious view, but also because he's a terrorist, gangster, murderer, drug traffiker, etc... They certainly don't come here showing thir criminal record papers.
Remember all people that were protesting and fighting against authoritarian regimes in Lybia, Syria and Egypt. In 2011-2012 the west was supporting them as the modern freedom heroes. Later, with the advent of ISIS and other terroristic organization, it became clear that most of anti-Gaddafi, anti-Assad and anti-Moubarak activists were in reality islamist fundamentalists. Real pro-democracy individuals are a small minority in the Arab world.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 05:44 PM   #13109
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I can't imagine that scenario during socialist period in my country (please note: If you wanted to live a calm but substandard life, nobody minded your business nor punished you for no reason). If a man had succeeded to left the family in advance to manage the formalities in desired country, his wife and children would have been arrested and sent to jail. It was pretty common that if a few family members emigrate from the country (illegally in 100 % of cases), the remaining members were severely punished by government.

So if there are calm men waiting for asylum, the situation in the source country is not that bad as described. There will be whole families otherwise. I might be wrong, but the men in the video are just another future abusers of European social system playing a nice drama.

I am not racist. I do respect all nationalities and religions. But it really stinks that is going on in Europe.
Of course, if you have terrorists with kalashnikov in your streets or bombs falling on your village, you don't leave your wife and kids alone there.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 06:50 PM   #13110
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In the meanwhile... tourism office at Portalet/Pourtalet is now opened (summer season)



Built just in the border

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.805322,-0.418667,16z
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Old June 16th, 2015, 07:39 PM   #13111
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is it a shared office ?
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Old June 16th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #13112
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Of course, if you have terrorists with kalashnikov in your streets or bombs falling on your village, you don't leave your wife and kids alone there.
I think most of those are from Eritrea where going to army is more like going to slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrea#Military
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Old June 16th, 2015, 07:44 PM   #13113
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is it a shared office ?
To my best knowledge, it is.

Maintenance is shared at all. You can see a little building in google street view just some metres inside France. It is where trucks are kept for winter maintenance (or they try to keep there... remember a picture I posted...)
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Old June 16th, 2015, 07:51 PM   #13114
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And more info...

The official web in Spanish and French about this tourism office

http://www.espalet.eu/fra/category/offices-de-tourisme/
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Old June 16th, 2015, 08:09 PM   #13115
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I can't imagine that scenario during socialist period in my country (please note: If you wanted to live a calm but substandard life, nobody minded your business nor punished you for no reason). If a man had succeeded to left the family in advance to manage the formalities in desired country, his wife and children would have been arrested and sent to jail. It was pretty common that if a few family members emigrate from the country (illegally in 100 % of cases), the remaining members were severely punished by government.

So if there are calm men waiting for asylum, the situation in the source country is not that bad as described. There will be whole families otherwise. I might be wrong, but the men in the video are just another future abusers of European social system playing a nice drama.

I am not racist. I do respect all nationalities and religions. But it really stinks that is going on in Europe.
I apologize in advance for potentially derailing this thread (again), but I sincerely wish you never find yourself in the situation those people are going through. It really, really sucks to be born in a poor region of the world.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 08:10 PM   #13116
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These are by far not only real refugees, but also a lot of economic migrants, e.g. from Africa, who come to work illegally, and/or to exploit welfare and lax sanctions for unlawful activities like drug trafficking.
I always hear against economic migrants, but why not let economic migrants? They want to work, they want to buy, it would grow the economy and improve everyone's life.
I understand the refugee / legal immigration, but maybe the problem is similar to the American, where the legal path to immigration is absurdly complex, slow, expensive and liable to outright failure - so everyone jumps over the fence instead.

I feel like I should be able to live in any country in the world that I want to without any restriction at all.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 08:22 PM   #13117
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I always hear against economic migrants, but why not let economic migrants? They want to work, they want to buy, it would grow the economy and improve everyone's life.
Because average joe fears that they don't want to work but just want to utilize the social system. Or let's say, average joe knows(!) that they...
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do they say ,,durschnittser Hans" in D?

But surely this can be easy-fix, just don't let them use certain social services (e.g. anything that pays money) until, say been established in country for 24, 48 or 60 months

heck I would be surprised if they even let these people claim such money, don't they have no paperworks? I think if you jumped the fence into USA and then asked for welfare and gave Mexican passport, they would deport you
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Old June 16th, 2015, 09:14 PM   #13119
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If only the EU put all the money and resources it puts in defending it's borders and bailing out private banks to building and improving these people's lives in their countries of origine the influx of immigrants would have been halved at least.
We can't bomb countries and in the meantime stay blind to the civilians whose life have been destroyed.
Irak, Iran, Syria, Palestina, Libya, Afghanistan,...
Do i need to say more? And yet people are shocked when they see waves of desperate people at their European gates?

Hypocrisy knows no boundaries it seems...
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Old June 16th, 2015, 10:04 PM   #13120
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do they say ,,durschnittser Hans" in D?
No, it's "Otto-Normalverbraucher" (Otto common consumer). "average Joe" would be "durchschnittlicher Josef" or "durchschnittlicher Sepp". "Sepp" sounds similar to "Depp" which means "fool", "dork", "moron", "shmoe", "douchebag",... which would be suitable too

Sorry for OT.
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