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Old June 19th, 2015, 02:08 AM   #13141
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I've just check thhe whole road from Neum to Stolac on Google Earth for any signs or pictures of a checkpoint. I've found zero...
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Old June 19th, 2015, 02:17 AM   #13142
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"I have a paper road map of Croazia from probably around 2006-2007 and there is already a road from Neum to the rest of BiH.
Side note: the map shows Croatian A1 dashed till the MNE border and "opening 2008"."

Obviously Croats were far too optimistic then...
If you look how fast the A1 was built from Bosiljevo to Sestanovac - 6 years for 400 km of motorway from 2001 to 2007 - than it was not that optimistic to built another 200 km in 3 years... Unfortunately they just ran out of money.
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Old June 19th, 2015, 11:55 AM   #13143
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Old June 19th, 2015, 12:02 PM   #13144
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Because a weird reason, bridge (one out of the international smaller in the world but not the smallest) was cut to traffic but it was possible to cross the border walking or with heavy country machines (over the creek).

There are some blogs about these two little villages located in each side of a creek and different countries. I read that all shops are in one side and all pubs in the other one but I cannot remember which ones.

And... maybe many bloggers have talked about their situation more than themselves due to nobody there bother about situation. Nowadays currency is the same and most of laws are quite similar in each side of the two-villages. You can find several families with a husband/wife born in one or other side.
Maybe the most curious point is the language. Between them they will mix Portuguese and Spanish in a sort of dialect to understand themselves
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Old June 21st, 2015, 11:52 AM   #13145
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I've just check thhe whole road from Neum to Stolac on Google Earth for any signs or pictures of a checkpoint. I've found zero...
The mystery deepens...

Is it possible that there was some sort of very temporary hut or container, and they would only stop foreign registered cars? I've found references to BiH not really controlling the Neum corridor (what's new, some might say) until they formed the State Border Service in 2000.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 06:09 PM   #13146
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Because a weird reason, bridge (one out of the international smaller in the world but not the smallest) was cut to traffic but it was possible to cross the border walking or with heavy country machines (over the creek).

There are some blogs about these two little villages located in each side of a creek and different countries. I read that all shops are in one side and all pubs in the other one but I cannot remember which ones.

And... maybe many bloggers have talked about their situation more than themselves due to nobody there bother about situation. Nowadays currency is the same and most of laws are quite similar in each side of the two-villages. You can find several families with a husband/wife born in one or other side.
Maybe the most curious point is the language. Between them they will mix Portuguese and Spanish in a sort of dialect to understand themselves
I believe, but I may be wrong, that the bridge was closed temporarily in 1974 because there were fears of a Spanish invasion after the Carnation Revolution in Portugal. Not that closing the bridge would've made much difference.


Given that it's an isolated village divided by an imaginary line, I suspect that the people on either side speak pretty much the same, but that the people on the Portuguese side speak standard Portuguese to outsiders, and the Spanish side the equivalent.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 07:35 PM   #13147
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I believe, but I may be wrong, that the bridge was closed temporarily in 1974 because there were fears of a Spanish invasion after the Carnation Revolution in Portugal. Not that closing the bridge would've made much difference.


Given that it's an isolated village divided by an imaginary line, I suspect that the people on either side speak pretty much the same, but that the people on the Portuguese side speak standard Portuguese to outsiders, and the Spanish side the equivalent.


To my best knowledge you're right and as far as I know, it was a decission of a local officer to cut the border (not a decission of the Portuguese government because the rest of the borders remained without any change).
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Old June 21st, 2015, 08:17 PM   #13148
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Is that even legal in Schengen?
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Old June 21st, 2015, 10:09 PM   #13149
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Is that even legal in Schengen?
Obviously it isn't but we are talking about 1974 when Potugal had a revolution and in Spain a totalirism regime remained for one year more.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 10:11 PM   #13150
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Ah, I thought it was done recently.
I tried to figure out which town it is, but I think you haven't wrote the location...
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Old June 21st, 2015, 10:17 PM   #13151
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Ah, I thought it was done recently.
I tried to figure out which town it is, but I think you haven't wrote the location...
It is here

https://www.google.es/maps/@41.94119...8i6656!6m1!1e1

Where paved street finish and shift the material you are in Portugal. If you turn 180º the image you have a sign that you are entering into Spain.

It is the typical case of a binational town but in this case... a quite small binational village
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 12:04 AM   #13152
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Is that even legal in Schengen?
There's no obligation to actually have border crossings, the only thing that Schengen did was to remove physical controls from borders. I don't think there was any obligation on Schengen states to actually ease the transit between countries - I seem to recall that Austria in particular placed plenty of restrictions on formerly closed crossings.
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 12:49 AM   #13153
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Yes, restrictions for cars, trucks, etc.
But on foot, you could cross everywhere you want, as long as it's not forbidden to enter that piece of land/water...
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 01:09 AM   #13154
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I seem to recall that Austria in particular placed plenty of restrictions on formerly closed crossings.


In 2008, to the very surprise of border-near Hungarian settlements, Austrians were installing "no entry with any vehicle" signs on a number of smaller border-crossing roads, probably to reduce "doubtful" traffic from "the East" on these roads when no systematic controls were allowed anymore.
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 11:01 PM   #13155
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Yes, and it was entirely legal. I suspect when framing the Schengen Agreement, the authors didn't think that anyone would actually do such a thing, and so it's not exactly a breach of the agreement as passage is still permitted on foot. I saw one strange example somewhere near Bratislava, but I don't remember exactly where - but it was obvious that there was no real reason to ban vehicles.

Having said that, 3.5t limits are routine and common on the PL/CZ border, often without any real reason. They also maintained some old 7.5t limits without much justification at some old border crossings.
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 12:15 AM   #13156
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Kind of funny they would put that to deter "unsavory" traffic... wouldn't they just ignore the sign?
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 02:45 AM   #13157
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Kind of funny they would put that to deter "unsavory" traffic... wouldn't they just ignore the sign?
Psst... What's not supposed to happen, can't happen
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 12:42 PM   #13158
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If they put a physical obstacle on the road, then it's harder or impossible to cross by car.
On foot, by bike or motorcycle you still can
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 02:00 PM   #13159
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Kind of funny they would put that to deter "unsavory" traffic... wouldn't they just ignore the sign?
Ah, but when they ignore the sign police can stop them for illegally driving on a road not allowed for cars - it's not a border check, it's just a regular police check
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 02:25 PM   #13160
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If they put a physical obstacle on the road, then it's harder or impossible to cross by car.
On foot, by bike or motorcycle you still can
The British authorities did something similar in Northern Ireland during the troubles. They blocked any unapproved border crossings with the republic of Ireland with barriers. In some cases they destroyed bridges and made craters in the roads to prevent any vehicles from crossing.


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